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  1. I read somewhere that there should be a 10-day infection-free period before lifting restrictions; cannot remember where I a saw this so may not be accurate.  It would be useful to have more information on the official sites as, other than reports of cases, there is no indication of timescales for letting chicken free-range again.

    Perhaps, ‘we’ ought to look at how commercial poultry are kept; the numbers kept in flocks I find are staggering.  It cannot be good to have birds crowded together in huge numbers.

    Just musing…if all birds with avian flu are culled are we stopping the development of immunity?

    ‘Freedom Day’ for the girls cannot come soon enough.  

  2. On 3/7/2022 at 7:14 PM, Cat tails said:

    There was a very interesting Dutch consumer programme about the avian flu epidemic. Avian flu is now endemic in European wild bird populations. So it isn’t even coming in from Asia by migratory bird, but constantly present in our own bird populations.
    So the flu free periods in the year will be come shorter and shorter, as infections in commercial bird populations can happen year round.

    These strains of avian influenza have been found in several mammal species, including badgers, deer and foxes.

    The chances of this flu infecting humans becomes bigger. And the scientists in the programme stated that it could well be the next pandemic, originating not in China, but here in Europe. The Netherlands alone houses around 100 million chickens!

    I think us backyard keepers should move towards keeping chickens under cover most of the year and cherish the moments that they can free range, instead of the other way around.

    If Avian Flu becomes endemic does this mean that birds will develop immunity and/or the virus will mutate into something more contagious but less pathogenic as the Rona has?  With lessons from Mareck’s best not to use a ‘leaky’ vaccine for any of these viruses.  From a quick read, it seems that the less pathogenic strain does not usually kill poultry but the highly pathogenic strain does.  Evolutionary pressure one would think would not favour the more pathogenic strain; from whence did this come?  I was wondering why this year is so bad as far as outbreaks are concerned.  I’m not sure that I would keep chicken if they had to be cooped up all the time, year in year out.

         

  3. On 3/3/2022 at 2:40 PM, Cat tails said:

    Over here in the Netherlands avian flu is still rampant and is still said to be the worst outbreak since ever. 
    And a man in the UK has died from bird flu this year. So it doesn’t sound likely that the restrictions will be lifted anytime soon.

    I understand that the man who died actually had many waterfowl living in his house with him; rather unusual.

    On 3/3/2022 at 7:23 PM, mullethunter said:

    I would imagine it’s likely to be the very end of this month.

    I think that it was the beginning of April last year that the girls could be let out again.  Let’s hope that it is no later this year.

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  4. You must:

    • keep free-ranging birds in fenced areas to minimise contact with wild birds, neigbouring poultry or captive birds
    • inspect outdoor areas, removing wild bird contaminants like faeces, feathers and wild bird carcases
    • fence off or put netting over areas of standing water or ponds
    • provide feed and water undercover, so wild birds can’t access it
    • make your premises unattractive to wild birds. Use bird scarers, foils or streamers
    • keep ducks and geese separate from other poultry
    • store bedding under cover to reduce the risk of contamination
    • clean and disinfect footwear before and after tending to your birds. If you own more than 50 birds, place foot dips containing government approved disinfectant at all entry and exit points
    • clean and disinfect hard surfaces regularly
    • clean and disinfect equipment and vehicles to avoid disease spread between premises
    • minimise the movement of people, vehicles and equipment to and from bird areas and keep records of movements
    • keep records of poultry, captive bird and egg movements
    • maintain buildings that house birds to prevent water ingress
    • ensure pest control is effective

    This is a quote from the gov.uk site and from what I can see the first point is to ‘minimise contact’ with wild birds; I cannot see anything about netting them off from wild birds completely.  To my mind the second bullet point is to ‘inspect outdoor areas’ which suggests that birds are still permitted in outdoor areas.  I’m sure that last year the instructions were unequivocal about keeping birds indoors.

    Do others have a different interpretation of these points?

  5. As I read this we are not yet at a stage where our free-rangers have to be confined; is this general consensus?  Our girls are running around the garden at the moment and the area is fenced it is just that it is quite a large area.  I hope that I have this correctly otherwise it’s back to the gulag for them again.

  6. On 11/13/2021 at 4:54 PM, Alis girls said:

     Had my booster fairly early as had first one in Dec. OH vaccinated as we are volunteers for elderly  and vaccine Marshall's and I still do NHS nursing as locum despite being retired. I am sorry I have no time for anti vaxxers and people who just cant be bothered to wear a mask. On the tube people sit spreading their bacteria. 

    ES' s girlfriend is a teacher double vaccinated and has picked up covid from a child at school. Many of the parents are immigrants who dont for whatever reason get vaccinated.  Watching with interest to see what happens at my old work where the HCA an East European from Romania refuses vaccine.  Shes had covid . We will see. Interesting how all anti vax people still expect a bed in ITU when they get it. Will get off my soap box now. Stay safe. Xx

    Would you replay your comment again:  ‘…all anti vax people still expect a bed in ITU…’? Have you read your history of the run-up the the Second World War?  This was the language used to separate the nation and ended in ghettos and concentration camps.  Someone who refuses to take part in the experimental trials of any of the coronavirus vaccines is not necessarily ‘anti vax’; this is a perjorative term; I expect that these people pay their taxes towards the health service; some of them may be the very doctors and nurses you may need; the present vaccines do not stop one from getting or spreading the virus and a recent study from Norway says, I understand, that they do not prevent death from the virus, so what is the point of them?  I have no issue with anyone’s choice as to whether or not they take the experimental jabs but I do take issue with such language as you have employed and would like you to think about the implications of such an attitude with regard to humanity, equality and apartheid.  From Julia Hartley-Brewer:

                 

    The Austrian government is about to order a national lockdown - but only for the 1/3 of the population who remain unvaccinated. Absolutely *****ing terrifying. If you aren't disturbed by this - and everything else happening right now - you're a fool.

    On 11/14/2021 at 3:54 PM, Columbian said:

    Would you replay your comment again:  ‘…all anti vax people still expect a bed in ITU…’? Have you read your history of the run-up the the Second World War?  This was the language used to separate the nation and ended in ghettos and concentration camps.  Someone who refuses to take part in the experimental trials of any of the coronavirus vaccines is not necessarily ‘anti vax’; this is a perjorative term; I expect that these people pay their taxes towards the health service; some of them may be the very doctors and nurses you may need; the present vaccines do not stop one from getting or spreading the virus and a recent study from Norway says, I understand, that they do not prevent death from the virus, so what is the point of them?  I have no issue with anyone’s choice as to whether or not they take the experimental jabs but I do take issue with such language as you have employed and would like you to think about the implications of such an attitude with regard to humanity, equality and apartheid.  From Julia Hartley-Brewer:

                 

    The Austrian government is about to order a national lockdown - but only for the 1/3 of the population who remain unvaccinated. Absolutely *****ing terrifying. If you aren't disturbed by this - and everything else happening right now - you're a fool.

    Correction:  pejorative.

     

  7. On 11/12/2021 at 12:09 PM, Daphne said:

    I guess we are now in the early grip of winter, the numbers here are rising too, and I saw 50,000 cases in Germany yesterday.  I am too young to get a booster here, but I know from my Mum in the UK that the organisation for it was not as good as the rest of the vaccination programme as per Patricia's post above.  She was kept waiting a long time and complained in the end, as she was with a lot of younger people, hardly any of whom were wearing masks, at which point a doctor rushed out to check she was OK!  We still wear masks in the shops/indoors, although I don't think they are compulsory in shops, although most people still wear them.  I have to say I have already had at least one unpleasant cold type thing as has my Mum, plus we've both had infections, even though we live 1000 miles apart - but we did both catch the same very bad cold from someone who thought he had covid (he didn't, the test was negative) in the summer.

    Do they use the PCR test for diagnosis in Germany?  Do you happen to know the number of cycles they use if so?  Also, have the numbers of tests increased recently?  This would be helpful to know as:  a PCR test should not be used on its own for diagnosis and not run at over 28 cycles (number varies slightly from 20-28) according to the inventor of the PCR, Kary Mullis; when more tests are run, more ‘cases’ are found.  (A case is someone being treated or in hospital otherwise it is an ‘infection’.). Interestingly, I was watching an interview with eight American doctors and scientists and one said that when he did PCR tests at his hospital he found that 91% of his patients had influenza A, not the coronavirus.  This chimes with a retired nhs statistician I follow who has access to electronic patient records for a hospital trust and he found that the vast majority of emergency admissions had been coded incorrectly as covid-19; only about 9 out of 161,000 admissions confirmed by symptoms, not the faulty PCR.  This may not be the case in Germany or other countries.   

  8. On 11/9/2021 at 4:36 PM, Luvachicken said:

    Just had my booster today as clinic is not operating tomorrow.

    I'm still amazed at the number of people not wearing masks - shame on them - although they had to at the centre.

    As various scientific studies have shown that masks make no difference to transmission of the coronavirus (trying to stop flies with a chain link fence) but do have a negative impact on the wearer by way of bacteria and less oxygen, why would you demonise people who read the science or who may have health reasons for not wearing one?  I have read that the development of children’s brains has been negatively impacted by mask-wearing.    

  9. I have started a new thread as the one I found on the site was from 2012...

    I have bought a Grandpa’s Feeder for my three bantams and had read that the feeder was adjustable for bantams but when it arrived I could find no adjustment for weight of bird.  Reading more on the website it stated that the adjustment is just putting a weight on the treadle; I hardly call that an adjustment more a Heath Robinson bodge.  Has anyone else had one of these for bantams and fixed a weight to the treadle and, if so, how did they do this?  Thank you.

     

  10. Do you have any news of the result of the 10th March Defra meeting, mountainboardude?  I cannot find anything online, in fact there is a dearth of news about the AF lockdown on any sites including those for commercial poultry and the NFU.  One would have thought that Defra would be updating us all regularly.

    It’s a good point, mountainboarddude, that the housing order needs to be lifted before the 4th April or poultry keepers will not be able to label their produce as ‘free-range’ any more.  One would hope that Defra don’t want that.

    My little chooks are running up and down the wire trying to get out, which I don’t like to see.  

    Patricia W, I had not seen your post, apologies.  So nothing before the 4th April.  I looked on The Poultry Club of Great Britain’s site and the only mention of Avian Flu was dated 8th December 2020; not exactly current.  Do you know of any formal announcement that I can research?  I’m finding it very frustrating that there is nothing on internet searches of recent date and certainly no clue as to when the housing order may be lifted.

  11. I was fearing that this would be the case, Patricia W.  As to the feather-pecker; I’ve tried bumpa bits and blinkers to no avail.  They work while they are on but have to be removed from time-to-time and as soon as they are off the pecking starts again.  I’ve been hoping to give her to a friend to run with their bantams as they have a cockerel which may keep her in order.  Thank you for the suggestion.

     

    Mountainboarddude, the sooner the better for my girls.  Thank you for the update and I look forward to the review results.

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  12. I cannot find any references to an end date for the AF restrictions, so depressing.  I do hope that it will be soon.

    Mine have been in lay for some weeks now and seem to lay an egg every-other day.  They are certainly keener to get outside as the weather is improving.  I’ve built a little extension and netted it so that they can be on grass otherwise I was cutting some turf every day for them to demolish.  I can see that in a couple of weeks the grass will be no longer and I haven’t many options for positioning the new fenced area.  I had one force its way out but it quickly went back in when I lifted some of the netting; now all pegged down.

    The chicken at the bottom of the pecking order is getting very nervous as she is picked on by everyone.  I feel so sorry for her.  One of the bullies waits at the top of the steps when they go to bed and attacks her as she tries to go in.  I think that this behaviour has been exacerbated by their confinement for so long.  It really annoys me when the chicken at the bottom of the pecking order just lowers her head and waits to be pecked, all submissive.  This being shut in is not good for them.  I’ve had the feather-pecker confined to a separate part of the run since mid December but she is now in with the others since they can go outside a bit.  I’m hoping that she has forgotten her nasty habit; I saw one demonstration of this on two of the others but it was half-hearted and I’ve not seen it since.  Time will tell - as will bare heads.


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