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  1. Thanks for your thoughts. There hasn't been chickens in the garden for at least 5 years and doubt at all before then so the contamination I refer to is from our girls! Worms can be passed by other birds but the Histomonas is an infection of pheasant, turkey and other fowl/poultry. They have been wormed with Panacur now and the vet has advised quaterly worming with Panacur but I think that I shall alternate that with Flubenvet every 6 weeks as the ground is so heavily contaminated. Thanks again for your wishes!
  2. Hi everyone Have been an avid reader but have never posted before except asking about Baytril. I picked up our six girls on 6th June this year and we were over the moon with them. We also bought 50m of Netting and all the electric fence paraphernalia to keep foxy out and overall have spent well over a grand. What the heck we thought the chooks will be fun and eggs to boot! Set everything up and we were well chuffed with the whole set up and the girls personalities developed as the days went by. We did notice some funny bright yellow foamy droppings from day one and were reassured that it was just little mishaps as they were coming in to lay. See here for a picture: http://club.omlet.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29183 We were having so much fun with the first six girlies that we decided to get another four and make it a round ten! The order was placed and I was due to pick them up a week ago today. The Sunday before (13th July) we noticed that one of our girls was looking decidedly lethargic but when trying to pick her up she would bolt across the lawn as usual - nothing unusual there then we thought! But over 24 hours she looked worse and I noticed very watery trots too - which weren't immediately apparent - because they were so fluid they ran straight into the lawn! Off to the vets we went and an enteritis was diagnosed and Baytril was dispensed but it made no difference and the next day I noticed a 'sloshy' crop. We kept her in the house away from the other girls as a bit of s"Ooops, word censored!"ping was going on after picking up the new girls two days previously. Back to vets we go and see a different practitioner. This time a sour crop is diagnosed and it was drained and flushed there and then. I was to continue with the Baytril. Nothing then seemed to change - no better, no worse. Then on Sunday morning the girl was decidedly poorly looking and her comb and wattles were turning blue. We immediately rang the vets and the duty vet advised that he could offer no further advice over and above what had already been done and suggested referral to an avian specialist. So off we trot to Swindon to a specialist referral hospital and saw a very well qualified avian specialist. He immediately recognised the symptoms and diagnosed Blackhead disease and didn't give our girl 48 hours but treatment commenced immediately. Blackhead is a very important disease in Turkeys with a high level of mortality but less so in chickens. Cases are becoming more frequent. It is caused by a protozoal parasite called Histomonas meleagridis. Although direct chicken to chicken spread is possible it is very difficult in reality and infection is more likely to be spread by chickens ingesting infected eggs of the caecal worm Heterakis. The Histomonas is ingested by the Heterakis worm in the chickens gut and the chicken then passes infected worm eggs in its droppings which are then picked up by other chickens when ranging and scratching about for tidbits as they do! Infected worm eggs can survive in the soil for possibly up to 4 years and they can also get eaten by earthworms which then also become infective sources for the chickens. The Histomonas infects the caeca (blind gut) of the chicken and cause ulceration, inflammation, possible bleeding and swelling. They also enter the tissues and move through the circulation to the chickens liver where they cause necrosis and liver damage. Liver damage causes the sulphur yellow droppings mentioned earlier. We left the vets with bottles and bags of medication. However it was very difficult to come to any conclusions regarding treatment as nothing is licensed for treatment of Blackhead disease in the EU and therefore the UK. This makes treatment nigh-on impossible. A bulk dropping sample from our coop has confirmed the presence of Heterakis worms in our girls. We have been advised that our garden in now permanently contaminated and regular worming will be essential. It is not clear whether we will be able to stop further reinfection with Histomonas or infection of any new chooks as worming is not carried out permanently and therefore the mere ingestion of worm eggs would infect the chickens with Histomonas immediately. All together a very naff situation to be in! So, here we are with 10 chickens. Only 3 of which are laying and we have had them 7 weeks! I suspect that the Histomonas and worms have affected them so severely that I doubt some of them will ever lay at all! Daisy, the really sick chook, is hanging on for dear life but is deteriorating and looking sadder by the day - we are injecting 10ml of saline under her skin twice daily to keep her hydrated as she is not eating or drinking and she has been wormed but there is doubt over whether it is actually working its way through her system - the reason her crop was 'sloshy' was not because of sour crop per se but because her bowel is so congested that basically she was full to the brim and nothing was going through her! So please, please, please be very astute to your girls daily habits and watch out for any changes. Especially look for yellow foamy droppings - they are characteristic of Blackhead disease and when they are present it is proof of the condition. It is NOT a whoops with a yolk as often thought! Please also be aware that Verm-X is not effective. The avian specialist advised me that recent research shows that having a tinkle against a wall is just as effective at worming as giving Verm-X. If anyone has any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me or reply here and I will do my best to help but I can only advise on our experience. Please wish our girls luck!
  3. Hi guys and girls Just had a trip to the vets with one of our Miss Pepperpots - lethergic and nasty case of the trots. Vet seems to think that it's just a bacterial upset rather than an acquired infection and has prescribed Baytril. The vet advised egg withdrawal but wasnt clear for how long! So I thought I'd look to see what the experts have said but there seems to be a huge amount of variation on here regarding everyone's experience of egg withdrawal following Baytril! I already trying to think of ways of working out which eggs belong to Daisy so that we don't have to throw them all away! Mum had a fun idea of taping some coloured crayons to her bum so that she signs them on the way out!!! Had me chuckling for ages! Any advice you can give would be greatly appreciated! Dean
  4. Thanks fellow chook keepers… Well, you will be fellow chook keepers WHEN my Eglu is built and the chooks are in! Until then, you are the lucky ones and I'm all impatient and overly eggcited! And I'm far too old really to get this eggcited but I just can't help it! Weyhey!
  5. Hi Guys and Girls Going to Banbury to pick up my Eglu tomorrow because I am just so darned impatient! I am wondering whether the Eglu Cube comes flat and needs building from scratch or whether it is almost there in terms of construction. Is the frame a separate item etc The reason i ask is because I will need to take the trailer on the car and I am wondering whether I need to take the gas lift cover off or not before I go! Any help you can give on this would be greatly appreciated! TIA

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