tidygirlsuk Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I use diatom everywhere in my eglu and dust baths but i found lice crawling under both wings on one of my bantams. I used diatom powder straight away on her and all of the others. I ordered xeno 200 last night which is going to take 48 hour to arrive. However i did a complete clean this morning even though i do it every sunday. I looked under wings again AND THE LICE HAVE GONE !? has the diatom got rid of them ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Diatom dries out the crawlies by damaging their protective layer I think so yes it may have done the trick Xeno 200 will get rid of any left hidden and keep the hen protected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidygirlsuk Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share Posted May 14, 2009 Thanks redwing. does xeno have egg withdrawal period ? I was planning on spraying under the wings and back of neck, is this right ? I'm worring about all nasties more now. I use red mite powder every where in the house but not on the birds. Wolud it be good practise to powder girls with this every few weeks too ? Sorry for all the questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Diatom is more effective than red mite powder, I use the latter as a deterrent only. Xeno 200 *not licenced for use on poultry in the UK* is applied to the skin at the back of the neck every 6 weeks or so. It enters the bloodstream, so an egg withdrawal period of 7 days from dosing is recommended. It doesn't get rid of Northern Fowl Mites though, so be sure that you know what you're treating, see my thread here for guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 It won't have killed off any eggs unfortunately, tidy. You would need to keep reapplying it to deal with any later hatches. It is useful and if applied reglularly is a good defence against the blighters if you prefer not to use a chemical treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidygirlsuk Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 Diatom is more effective than red mite powder, I use the latter as a deterrent only. Xeno 200 *not licenced for use on poultry in the UK* is applied to the skin at the back of the neck every 6 weeks or so. It enters the bloodstream, so an egg withdrawal period of 7 days from dosing is recommended. It doesn't get rid of Northern Fowl Mites though, so be sure that you know what you're treating, see my thread here for guidance. I've just had alook at your other thread. i'm convinced that its lice. They were easy to see creapy crawlies, but i'm not sure if brown or grey. no dirty nickers, just lice under both wings. Thank you for advise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 They are quite different as you can see from the pictures. Lice are definitely brown rather than grey. Have a good look in the fluff around her vent as that's where they really like to congregate. Lice are far easier to get rid of than mites. Mites can live in the hosuign as well (although NFM can't live for as long off the host as red mites) so treat the lot if you have NFMs. I just bumped up my thread after having a couple more PMs from people whose hens have crawlies. Dare you not to scratch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidygirlsuk Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 It won't have killed off any eggs unfortunately, tidy. You would need to keep reapplying it to deal with any later hatches. It is useful and if applied reglularly is a good defence against the blighters if you prefer not to use a chemical treatment. I have ordered xeno 200 which i will use this time. But its good to know i have chose and that i don't need to use chemical. I have two 13 week pekins that i don't fancy using a chemical on. How often does diatom have to be used when lice are found to get rid ? I'm not sure of the egg cycle in lice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidygirlsuk Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 They are quite different as you can see from the pictures. Lice are definitely brown rather than grey. Have a good look in the fluff around her vent as that's where they really like to congregate. Lice are far easier to get rid of than mites. Mites can live in the hosuign as well (although NFM can't live for as long off the host as red mites) so treat the lot if you have NFMs. I just bumped up my thread after having a couple more PMs from people whose hens have crawlies. Dare you not to scratch! I can't stop scratching ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 It won't have killed off any eggs unfortunately, tidy. You would need to keep reapplying it to deal with any later hatches. It is useful and if applied reglularly is a good defence against the blighters if you prefer not to use a chemical treatment. I have ordered xeno 200 which i will use this time. But its good to know i have chose and that i don't need to use chemical. I have two 13 week pekins that i don't fancy using a chemical on. How often does diatom have to be used when lice are found to get rid ? I'm not sure of the egg cycle in lice. If you have an infestattion, then you will need to dust or spray weekly and if you're using Xeno 200 on an exisiting infestation then I'd recommend also dusting or spraying them to be sure to get rid of the lot including any new lice that hatch. As with headlice, they are remarkably tenacious and it only needs a few to be left, some hot weather and they're all back again. Just a thought - do your girls have a dust bath? It's great for getting rid of bugs and you can add Diatom or Red Mite powder to it. I am being extra vigilant with my girls this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidygirlsuk Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 It won't have killed off any eggs unfortunately, tidy. You would need to keep reapplying it to deal with any later hatches. It is useful and if applied reglularly is a good defence against the blighters if you prefer not to use a chemical treatment. I have ordered xeno 200 which i will use this time. But its good to know i have chose and that i don't need to use chemical. I have two 13 week pekins that i don't fancy using a chemical on. How often does diatom have to be used when lice are found to get rid ? I'm not sure of the egg cycle in lice. If you have an infestattion, then you will need to dust or spray weekly and if you're using Xeno 200 on an exisiting infestation then I'd recommend also dusting or spraying them to be sure to get rid of the lot including any new lice that hatch. As with headlice, they are remarkably tenacious and it only needs a few to be left, some hot weather and they're all back again. Just a thought - do your girls have a dust bath? It's great for getting rid of bugs and you can add Diatom or Red Mite powder to it. I am being extra vigilant with my girls this year. My three large fowl have a dust bath of their own with diatom and soil. It was a must as there run base is concrete. My bantie chicks have a plant pot dust bath but my other banties (with the infected pullet) are on soil topped with rubber chippings and they dig a hole to dust bath but they do it in different place so i dont put diatom in for them. Maybe this hasn't helped !? Thats a job for the weekend i think. i love an excuse to shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
