sandyhas3chucks Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 (edited) I am sure I have read that you have. Just had email result back from Retford Erythrocin would be the drug of choice for Campylobacter, there is only one type available- Erythrocin soluble which comes in a 70g sachet –dilute at the rate of 7g to the gallon x 7days. There is an egg withholding period for this of days of treatment plus a further 7 days. but actually erythromycin... the flippinn stuff comes in different strenghts etc. When the vet gets it in, he will work it all out for me, but the dose I had before from different vet (kept bottle for info, always a help for a pants memory. was 1/2 ml twice daily. BUT talking to vet the stuff he was going to give is something like 30 ml per kilo of bird?????????? according to the old data sheet it comes in 3 strengths 125, 250 & 500,and a babies dose is 2.5mls every 6 hours? I thought retfords would send the meds and this vet is close to me, not avian (but pretty good) but not loads of experience. I could be stressing over nothing, in fact I am as although she has campylobactor her only symptom is watery poo too often and not quite thriving as I would like. She eats drinks enjoys life chucks out the odd softee. just thought I should gret it checked out really, so ther is no real sweat. I think I just got used to worrying about them Anyway some reasurrance wanted/needed from omleteers please. Edited August 19, 2009 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 As Erythomycin is a Prescription Only Mediciation the person prescribing and supplying it to you (which can only be a vet or a pharmacist on production of a vets prescription) should advise you on dosage etc. This really is the point of Prescription only medicines. The person prescribing has the knowledge required for safe usage. They also take some responsiblility for the safe usage and any necessary follow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted August 18, 2009 Author Share Posted August 18, 2009 yes Chuky Mama, but as anyone that reads on the forums loads knows, not ALL vets have the same level of experience. This new Vet I am sure will read the instructions, just that tho dose seemed so wildly different than the 1/2 ml twice daily prescribed by Retford for the 250 dose of stuff before! I am sure most of us would want reassurace if for example a new vet prescribed 30 ml of baytril when we are all used to around a 1ml per kg dosage! As I said when the stuff arrives & he works it out for real, it might sound different. If in the event it is wildly different I will check with Retfords. just wanted a feel of doses given to others really, as I said for reassurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 ah, ok, see your point. Here is the official dose rate: "For the treatment of Chronic Respiratory Disease (CRD) in chickens caused by Mycoplasma organisms. For oral administration via the drinking water. For 70 g sachet: 1 sachet per 45 litres of drinking water administered continuously for 1-5 days, depending on response (approximately 25.5 mg/kg erythromycin bodyweight per day). Slowly add the contents of the sachet to not less than 2.25 litres of clean, cold drinking water, stirring continuously until completely dissolved. This solution should then be added to more drinking water to make up a total volume of 45 litres. Ensure that the inlet to the header tank is closed. Any medicated drinking water which is not consumed within 24 hours should be discarded. Withdrawal periods Animals must not be slaughtered for human consumption during treatment. Chickens: meat: 3 days from the last treatment. Eggs for human consumption must not be taken during treatment. Eggs: 6 days from the last treatment." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted August 18, 2009 Author Share Posted August 18, 2009 thank you, is there any indiviual doses. Ie not in drinking water. It is for campylobacter in one girl only! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 no 'fraid not, I suppose it would just all be scaled down to work in with the volume of water consumed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share Posted August 19, 2009 vet got in 3 products for me, the one I opted for is 100mls when mixed & 0.7ml dose for her weight, much more sense than to 70 gram packet making 10 doses & letteing her drink what she might & chucking away every day! Not licensed for poultry though, but then neither are many others. Shame the "natural" route did not sort her out, fingers crossed this does! AND she does not have to be separated or he othes medicated for no good reason! the more I see of this new vet the more relaxed I am about how good he really is! Very thorough & goes through the relevate data & researches etc. very impressed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggalp Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 ive just come back from my hols and seen this, probably a bit too late now but just for future - before i went away i was treating Grey with Erythromycin for campylobacter. I got some results back from Retfords and took Grey to the local vets to get the meds. After weighing her and checking in her little book, the vet told us to give her 4mls twice a day for five days. Hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted August 30, 2009 Author Share Posted August 30, 2009 oooooooo? Mine is 0.7 ml 3 times daily. She weighs about 1.76 kg I think! I think we have the 250 strength. good to compare notes. Did it sort grey out ok? Did meds make her feel rough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaPoule Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I sent a sample off to Retfords a few weeks ago, and was also diagnosed with campylobactor (the chicken, not me! ). My vets were being ... "unhelpful" about a variety of issues, and I was so annoyed about their money grabbing attitude, I have changed vets. Because of all the issues, Retfords sent me the medicine directly, and I have just finished treating the flock. I think some of the confusion about this medication is the fact that Erythrocin is a brand name. The actual medicine is erythromycin, which obviously comes in different strengths and presentations (same as difference between Nurofen and ibuprofen). So, if you ask your vet for erythromycin you could get tablets, liquids, powders etc., some of which have to be prescribed by weight. The Erythrocin, as far as I am aware, is only available as a powder, which you mix with water, and the reason that the chickens aren't weighed before, is that they self dose, i.e. the smaller chickens drink less than the larger chickens, and therefore consume less of the medication. Same scenario as mixing Flubenvet with feed. I found this the easiest route, as I treated the entire flock; as campylobacter is infectious, there was a good chance that they others would have it too. They all seemed to be happy and well during the week that they were on the medication, and there was also marked increase in egg laying, although several were POL, and due to start anytime soon anyway. However, I have noticed that Picasso, the chicken whom I was concerned about, still has loose stools, though not actual diarrhoea. I think I will give it a couple of weeks, and see if she starts laying again, and if not.... I'm not sure? Send off another sample? Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 this is only my very personal opinion but I think that water dosing way is just pants! Especially as in my experience with sick chooks they neither want to eat or drink. I much prefer dosing individually and knowing the poorly one has got the correct dose etc. Luckily my vet thought so too.... even if I had to dose all 8! i would prefer it! As I said that is just my opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
