sueb Posted December 18, 2008 Author Share Posted December 18, 2008 I've questioned this but they were quite firm. The painkillers and anti inflammatories are given direct on food and the antibiotics go in the water. It's obviously getting through the system as there are funny orange droppings in the chicken run. The vet said it's OK. I guess all vets are different. Have now realised there is a specialist bird/reptile one near here so will go there in future, although this one's been fine in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Well you did ask I guess,at least the pain & anti inflam is given direct! May I enquire what they have prescribed. (always good to know) (& just plain nosy too!) Mine had Metacam & Baytril. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hens@HalfMoonLane Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 No advice about chickens but I just wanted to say if it is arthritis to get a second opinion from another vet if the advice is still to put her to sleep. I had a horse who lived until she was 26, she had a rough few months when she was first diagnosed with arthritis at 18, the advice from a vet was to retire her and think about having her destroyed. After playing about with medication she went on to live for another 8 years being sound and active. She slowed up for the last 4 months of her life and then it was obvious her time had come. The sad thing was I'd struggled with arthritis for 8 years myself and had just recovered from having my own hip replaced and was really looking forward to getting out and about on her again when I had to have her put down. The other thing I wanted to add was that arthritis whilst not pleasant can be managed well with the right medication, staying relatively warm and being able to move about. When her time is up I'm sure she'll let you know herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 try her with some cherries, if you can't get fresh then try some tinned ones, they're good for arthritis.... or try some 'phytopet ease' you can get it on-line, just halve the dose recommended for rabbits/cats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 am confused.. arthritis is not the same as an infection. A bad joint infection could cause arthritis but you wouldn't know if the arthritis would be chronic until the infection was under control... It seems odd to me that you would treat arthritis with Baytril (an antibiotic) Anyway, I hope your hen continues to improve... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 i think the posts got a bit mixed up. sueb strated it but cazjohn had diagnosed arthritis treated wth baytril... but you are quite right you don't traet arthriits with antibiotic. Cazjohn i would double check that with the vet. Rosemount was it? a mix up or dif vet perhaps than usual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 hows this one doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sueb Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Update on Eggwina. Turns out it wasn't arthritis at all but an abscess, which burst prettily on Boxing Day. Chicken now has a large hole in her leg, which is pretty gross, and is now on Baytril, pain killers and having twice daily baths with some pink antiseptic stuff. Four vet visits over the last week! If she makes it, the antibiotics will go on for months, apparently, and we won't be able to eat her eggs for even more months. She's still hobbling around but still feeding and laying and spending the nights in luxury, indoors, isolated from her friend, who is inclined to peck. So, fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I rescued a bullied chicken that had an enourmous absess resulting in a huge hole and food & water leaked out. she was good on antibiotics & tlcin approx 2 weeks . they mend really well and unless she has a bone infection, I suspect yours will too. mine only had 10 days baytril. she was pretty weak to start with but again picked up well. I really hope your girl goes on as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 That's good news. Shame she has to have antibiotics so long but worth it for her to be sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Sounds hopeful.....and expensive! Shame about the eggs though......and you can't even feed them back to her as they will contain traces and therefore will reintroduce traces of the drug into her system, over and above the normal dose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Sounds hopeful.....and expensive! Shame about the eggs though......and you can't even feed them back to her as they will contain traces and therefore will reintroduce traces of the drug into her system, over and above the normal dose. do you really think it will make any difference the traces left? I must admit to feeding it back to my girls, maybe depends how big they are and the dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Yes. My vet advised against it as tests haven't been done on laying hens with regard to how long the drugs stay in the system and at what strength. Therefore, if you keep feeding them the "tainted" eggs, there is no way of knowing how much of the drug is in the system, and whether or not you are overdosing them, which in itself could be dangerous. I forget now which hen was on Baytril when I asked the question. In the commercial world, such a hen would probably be culled and not treated, so it isn't economically viable for the drug testing to be carried out on a laying hen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 hmmm? I can't really see the phamasuticals (sod the spelling!) bothering to test for our limitted market, easier to hust say egg withdraw. I wonder if there is a test kit, as we got to chuck them anyway we could do the tests? it would be interesting. It is such a non exact treatment to with dif vets giving dif lengths, they don't really know.Egluntine you know far more than many vets do about the girls anyway. I guess keeping them in small numbers as pets like we do is un charted territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sueb Posted December 31, 2008 Author Share Posted December 31, 2008 Apparently there IS no test for Baytril, which is why they recommend months before eating the eggs. Anyway, I'll start eating eggs from the other chicken in a couple of weeks. They have to be separated as she's bullying Eggwina and pecking at the wound, the thug, so the eggs won't get mixed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 i have a feeling that this has been previously discussed on this forum. I am sure some clever person will show us where I was told a week or was it 10 days after Baytril by 3 dif vets, (ie, 3 chooks, 3 dif vets)(still sussing out most knowledgable v distance) Do know it wasn't months, but that may also depend on the length of course prescribed and the dose. 2 girls similar weight, one prescribed same ml but twice daily for shorter period than the other. (that was the vet that double checked EVERYTHING it seems with eithre manual pc or "phoned a friend" maybe. she was lovely and very thorough, but think it just shows how LIttle is known. not that I care that much as long as the girls get better and are happy in life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 just found this. One mL of Baytril 10% oral solution contains 100 mg of the active ingredient enrofloxacin. Chickens and turkeys are dosed at 10 mg enrofloxacin per kg bodyweight for 3 to 5 consecutive days. When Baytril 10% oral solution is reconstituted in drinking water of regular quality (pH 6.5 to 7.5), solutions with concentrations of enrofloxacin from 20 to 200 ppm (20 to 200 mg enrofloxacin/L water) are stable at temperatures up to 50° C, for at least 48 hours. Only with exceptionally high concentrations of Ca2+ and Mg2+ in the water precipitations of active may occur. Be also aware that direct exposure to sunlight (UV rays) will inactivate enrofloxacin in drinking water solutions. can't find their withdrawl info just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Apparently there IS no test for Baytril, which is why they recommend months before eating the eggs. Anyway, I'll start eating eggs from the other chicken in a couple of weeks. They have to be separated as she's bullying Eggwina and pecking at the wound, the thug, so the eggs won't get mixed up. apparently there is after all test have been done. see below still looking for anything to do with how long PAST yhese days. Results demonstrate that both methods are capable of detecting incurred fluoroquinolone residues in eggs. During the 3-day dosing period of hens (Days 1-3) and following drug withdrawal (Days 5, 7, and 9), both of these methods were able to detect incurred ENRO in eggs above the zero tolerance established by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. The LC-fluorescence-MS(n) method has the benefit of providing confirmation for fluoroquinolones, while the bioassay may be used as an effective, rapid screening method for detection of fluoroquinolone residues in eggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 FOUND Farmacologia-Dpto. de Clinica Animal, Facultad de Agronomia y Veterinaria, Universidad Nacional de Rio Cuarto, Ruta 36, km 601, 5800-Rio Cuarto (Cba), Argentina. Eggs of 12 laying hens with 5 mg/kg/day oral administration of 5% enrofloxacin (EFX) or ciprofloxacin (CFX) solution during 5 days contained residues from 0.02 to 1.98 mug/g (EFX) or 0.14 to 0.28 mug/g (CFX). At identical dosage regime High Performance Liquid Chromatograhy (HPLC) residues of EFX were 6-fold greater than CFX ones. Maximun concentrations were detected at the second day after the administration withdrawal. The limits of detection were 0.019 mug/g for EFX and 0.156 mug/g for CFX. The recovery was 36-50% for CFX and 49-85% for EFX. The withdrawal treatment periods in hens are six days for EFX and five days for CFX in order to avoid violative levels of egg residues. PMID: 18611811 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Impressed at your research. You are beginning to sound like Egluntine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cazjohn Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Good to hear that your girl is improving Sue And yes Sandy my Vet gives out Baytril for everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sueb Posted December 31, 2008 Author Share Posted December 31, 2008 Very interesting, but how many days does that actually mean? Either way, I'll give it three weeks for Minerva (chicken #2). We've had the horror of buying supermarket eggs (free range, or course) for two weeks now so three more won't kill me. I do miss the eggs, though. Wish I had room for more chickens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 she made me do it her example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
