jade&mike Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 my coucou maran layed her first egg yesterday, but last night when i went out to close them in their cube she was sitting on the ground all huddled up. she is reluctant to walk so i brought her in for the night on examination her leg scales seem a little raised so i guess its leg mites. i have ordered some johnsons treatment online and in the meantime i am treating it will surgical spirit and vaseline. can anyone give me the wisdom of their own experiance please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 sounds like you are doing everything right to me *thumbs up* the vaseline will suffocate the mites if she has them. Dont be tempted to pick off the raised scales though, they will fall off on their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebird Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 If she does have scaly leg mite then I would recommend Xeno 200 (not licenced for poultry in UK). It saves all that smearing their legs with vaseline and dunking them in white spirit. It is also very effective against lice and worms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jade&mike Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 thank you for the reassurance chelsea, does anyone know if there is a egg withdrawal period wth xeno200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebird Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 There is a recommended egg withdrawal period of 7 days. However, I have always eaten their eggs during that period with no ill effects. If you don't fancy eating their eggs then you could always cook them and feed them back to the chickens as a treat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Raised scales don't necessarily indicate scaly leg mites - it's the exude under the scales that shows the little blighters are there; see the crust under some of the scales in this picture: As the others have said, the spot or spray on treatments work the best, and vaseline or surgical spirit won't be necessary if you are using one of them. Please don't be tempted to pick any of the scales off though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostin Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 If she does have scaly leg mite then I would recommend Xeno 200 (not licenced for poultry in UK). It saves all that smearing their legs with vaseline and dunking them in white spirit. It is also very effective against lice and worms. I used this for my girls scaley leg, and it worked fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 There is a recommended egg withdrawal period of 7 days. However, I have always eaten their eggs during that period with no ill effects. If you don't fancy eating their eggs then you could always cook them and feed them back to the chickens as a treat. I don't think there can be a recommended witdrawal period can there? If it is not licenced for use in Poultry it means it has not been tested, therefore no one knows how long it will remain in the system? (oe eggs) The reapplication of 4 weeks for other pets might indicate that it continues to work for 4 weeks then MIGHT it be reasonable to assume that it remains in the body for 4 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 The re-application is related the the lice/mite lifecycle Sandy, not the amount of time that the drug remains in the body. According to my poultry expert vet, allow 7 days egg withdrawal in the absence of any other advice. Best to check with your vet if you're in any doubt at all. I use a different form of Ivermectin (*not licenced for use on poultry in the UK*) on my girls. My vet's advice was to withdraw the eggs for 7 days, but that as they use Ivermectin on humans in the 3rd world to treat for worms and lice, that it would be unlikely to cause humans any problems, but that the eggs shouldn't be sold or consumed by the pregnant or elderly. If in doubt, consult your vet and take their advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 The re-application is related the the lice/mite lifecycle Sandy, not the amount of time that the drug remains in the body. According to my poultry expert vet, allow 7 days egg withdrawal in the absence of any other advice. Best to check with your vet if you're in any doubt at all. I use a different form of Ivermectin (*not licenced for use on poultry in the UK*) on my girls. My vet's advice was to withdraw the eggs for 7 days, but that as they use Ivermectin on humans in the 3rd world to treat for worms and lice, that it would be unlikely to cause humans any problems, but that the eggs shouldn't be sold or consumed by the pregnant or elderly. If in doubt, consult your vet and take their advice. That's very informative, thank you Claret Should I need to use it ever, it is useful to "know" ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 One of mine has funny lumpyish feet and I was wondering if I posted a picture could someone have a look? I (as a new guy) am just getting to the "pests and diseases" section of learning so it may be I am looking for stuff that is not there... Any help appreciated I will put picture on Gallery... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 oo err???/ Couldn't see to clearly not as big a picture as Claret posted. Whilst I have no idea, is thee anychance you could make it bigger? Might make it easier when the experts tke a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 will do! prob tomorrow as she has gone to bed now!! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 It depends on how old the hen is Ted, as chooks get rougher and k"Ooops, word censored!"blier legs as they age. The key things to loo for when you're looking for scaly leg mites are raised scales coupled with an exude or crust under the scales (raised scales on their own are no indicator), the legs will also take on a whitish or pearly sheen. You may find that the hen is worrying at her legs if they are irritated but I have found this rare. Treatment as described above will get rid of the mites, but the scales wil remain raised until she moults them over time. If you get wold birds inyour garden then you will probably get this on your birds at some time. It causes them some discomfort and will eventually make them lame if not treated. In the past, I have treated it by spot on with an ivermectin product and spraying the legs with Frontline for cats. **Neither of these products are licenced for use on poultry in the UK but most vets will recommend them**. For information on using Ivermectin on poultry, see this article The author, Scott Shilala has published several such articles on t'interweb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 will do! prob tomorrow as she has gone to bed now!! Thanks cor that's early, is that normal for her or is she feeling a bit miserable or is it colder in Sheffield?(gone pretty nippy here in \surrey just now!) thanks for the photo by the way helps the rest of us with your replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 It is probablby quite a bit colder up here but they normally all go to bed between 1515 and 1540 with Billy and George waiting until the last minute. Allows them to eat more!! Thanks Claret and others for your advice on Hannah. I ordered some xeno 200 yesterday and it just turned up!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 It depends on how old the hen is Ted, as chooks get rougher and k"Ooops, word censored!"blier legs as they age. In the past, I have treated it by spot on with an ivermectin product and spraying the legs with Frontline for cats. **Neither of these products are licenced for use on poultry in the UK but most vets will recommend them**. For information on using Ivermectin on poultry, see this article The author, Scott Shilala has published several such articles on t'interweb. Claret, Thanks, I have read the article. When you say treated it by spot do you mean (as in the article) spraying on the neck and in between shoulder blades? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Put two new pictures into gallery of Hannahs feet! Sorry should have waited and put all this on one post. Impatience... Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 It depends on how old the hen is Ted, as chooks get rougher and k"Ooops, word censored!"blier legs as they age. In the past, I have treated it by spot on with an ivermectin product and spraying the legs with Frontline for cats. **Neither of these products are licenced for use on poultry in the UK but most vets will recommend them**. For information on using Ivermectin on poultry, see this article The author, Scott Shilala has published several such articles on t'interweb. Claret, Thanks, I have read the article. When you say treated it by spot do you mean (as in the article) spraying on the neck and in between shoulder blades? Cheers You either spray or spot (depending on the product used) it onto the skin at the back of the neck where they can't reach it when preening. Hard to tell from the new photos Ted, but looks like she either has mites, or had mites. I'd treat her anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Thanks, I will get spraying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 thanks for the bigger photos. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 gave Hannah a spray of xeno 200 3 nights ago ( she was far from docile!!!)... since then she seems to be walking more comfortably and generally happier so it looks like it has worked. Do I need to re-treat in a couple of weeks to be safe? Once again thanks for all your advice. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 The lifecycle for the lice is a week (just like for headlice) so I'd suggest a 2nd treatment a week later if you have a hen who is infested. As a preventative, just one treatment is fine so long as you remember to keep it up. Just like for cats and dogs really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
