eggregiousness Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I would like to use Panacur for worming this time and have ordered "Panacur Granules for Cats and Dogs". I didn't buy the suspension because I am afraid of killing the girls syringing them. Have I done the wrong thing? The formulation is described as "A 22% granulate formulation of Fenbendazole, PhEur. as a ready to administer oral anthelmintic for dogs, cats, puppies and kittens. 1 g Panacur Granules contains 0.22 g active ingredient Fenbendazole, PhEur". Will this be OK? I was going to mix it with chopped grapes or similar. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staceychristie Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 Well i'd be really careful. Unless a medication specifies otherwise, what it says on the tin, is what it's for. I would seek advice from your vet before something you regret happens at least as a bear as a minimum. Stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggregiousness Posted April 19, 2010 Author Share Posted April 19, 2010 The vet wouldn't give me Panacur at all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I wouldn't advise giving the granules, they are designed for dogs and cats. It is fairly common to give the liquid (off license which means with a vets prescription as it is not licensed for poultry) but not the granules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I've only ever given the suspension too. *not licensed for use on poultry in the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xScrunchee Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I cannot really see what difference it would make to be honest. Paste, suspension or granuals are all for dogs, cats, puppies and kittens. I will have a google in a sec and see what comes up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 The vet wouldn't give me Panacur at all.... They should only give a medicine 'off license' (for a species or condiiton it is not licensed for) if there is 'no suitable alternative'. They are also legally bound to see the animal that it is going to be prescribed for. Whilst is may be tiresome a vet that doesn't stick to these rules can be struck off. The person selling you Panacur Granules for use in a chicken is also breaking the law. Is there any reason why you can't use Flubenvet which is fully licensed for poultry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I cannot really see what difference it would make to be honest. Paste, suspension or granuals are all for dogs, cats, puppies and kittens. I will have a google in a sec and see what comes up The dose varies according to species age and worm type treated (in dogs and cats) It can be given in a single dose or over 3 days. Also the fenbendazole is presented in an entirely different format which will alter the take up. I wouldn't suggest that you play with it. I wouldn't give horse panacur to my dog even though it contains fenbendazole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xScrunchee Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I do see what you are saying but I was thinking that considering that all three (paste, liquid and granules) are for cats, dogs, puppies and kittens-surely it would be the same thing, just presented in a different way?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xScrunchee Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I have just found a post where someone was given the granules by a vet for their hen. http://club.omlet.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31005&p=490229&hilit=panacur+granules#p490229 I would just be very careful with the dosage. I'll see if I can get any info on how much they should have I have used Panacur paste and suspension with my hens before and the paste with the tortoise but have no idea on the dosage for granules Edited to add this which I just found........................... PARASITE (INTERNAL) SOLUTIONS Fenbendazole Treatments One-day Treatment 1 oz Safeguard or Panacur per 15-20 lb feed Dissolve the fenbendazole product in one cup of water. Mix this solution well into the feed and give to the birds as their only feed source for one day. When completely consumed, untreated feed can be given. Be sure that the commercial medication contains 10% fenbendazole. Safeguard is a product of Ralston Purina, and Panacur is a product marketed by American Hoechst. One ounce of medication will treat about 1000 10-oz bobwhite quail. Adjustments of the amounts of medication and feed needed may be necessary depending on the number and size of the birds. Three-Day Treatment 1.2 oz Safeguard or Panacur in 100 lb feed -or- 4 oz pkt of "Worm-A-Rest Litter Pack" (Ralston Purina) in 50 lb feed -or- 5 lb bag of "Worm-A-Rest Mix Pack" in 495 lb feed Feed all the medicated feeds free-choice for three consecutive days. The feed mixtures provide 75 ppm fenbendazole. Quail will receive about 1.7 mg/bird each day for adult birds or 2.75 mg/lb of bodyweight. Fenbendazole has been shown to be a very effective treatment for eliminating Capillaria (capillary worms), Heterakis (cecal worms), Ascaridia (roundworms), and Syngamus spp. (gapeworms). Toxicity from overdosing with fenbendazole is very remote. Research indicates that amounts up to 100 times the recommended dosages have been given under research conditions without adverse effects to the birds. Use of this product during molt, however, may cause deformity of the emerging feathers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggregiousness Posted April 19, 2010 Author Share Posted April 19, 2010 Very kind xscrunchee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 Please be aware that the posted information is for 10% Fenbendazole. Small animal panacur granules are presented in an awkward format. A 4.5gram sachet is sufficient for dosing a 10kg dog at 100mg/kg. Thus it contains 1000mg (1g). This is equivalent to 22.22% fenbendazole. Thus 1g of granules contains 220mg of fenbendazole. Your information suggests feeding 75ppm (parts per million) fenbendazole in feed for 3 days. This is tricky to work out (I guess it means 75mg in 1,000,000 mg which is 75mg per kg of food). In reality this is 1g of panacur granules in 3kg of food over 3 days. But there are so many variables here that it is surely better to get some flubenvet and use it as prescribed or to get liquid prescribed by a vet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xScrunchee Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I agree that the correct dosage is not going to be easy to work out but I'd imagine that there is room for a slight amount of error considering that birds have been given 100 times the correct dosage with no ill effects. Not that I think that would be a good idea I mainly use Flubenvet with my hens but when I did use panacur suspension-dead worms were expelled even though they had been wormed with Flubenvet a few months before. I personally like to chop and change, that way I feel I am covering all angles. I think that if it were me, I would phone a vet and ask them about the dosage etc rather than just trying to work it out and hoping for the best. Good luck and sorry that I couldn't find accurate dosing information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I think that that would be the best plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
