ChrisEllis Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 can you explain hybrids, coz i always thught of a hybrid just being two breeds mixed, like isnt a polish frizzle a hybrid? or anything thats maed with a breed different to itself? and if today is anything t by then it might be quite a while longer...would their stress make them stop laying too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Yes, stress would make them stop laying, or prevent them starting. A hybrid is when the best characteristics from each breed are used to produce a 'better' bird. Eg egg laying, egg colour, meat etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisEllis Posted January 30, 2010 Author Share Posted January 30, 2010 oh i see - so my silkie that looks like its crossed with maybe a pekin IS a hybrid but one that peple wouldnt call a hybrid as it hasnt really been made to get the best characteristics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Well thats just a cross breed maybe not intentionally produced, a hybrid will have been specifically bred through generations to bring out the best characteristics from both to produce the hybrid offspring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisEllis Posted January 30, 2010 Author Share Posted January 30, 2010 oh i see, i prefer to have pure breeds hence im a bit phased how my silkie has a red gubble bit - dont know what it called, as im sure silkies didnt have them and also how each silkie looks different - melissa is close down to teh floor and smaller and lighter than the other two and looks more frizzle pekinish whereas miranda is more like a silkie and black and bigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom123 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 A Frizzle Poland isn't a hybrid that's a pure breed. Basically a hybrid chicken is the result of the rising commercial demand for eggs (and meat) in the early 50's. In order to respond to the huge demand for eggs the birds needed to be able to reliably produce in the region of 300+eggs a year,they also needed to convert food into eggs as economically as possible. This growth in demand also coincided with the development of the "battery cage" system. Good layers were crossed using special genetic "recipes" to develop the hybrid chicken a "super layer" if you like! Most hybrids are actually derived from well-known utility egg laying breeds such as Rhode Island Red, Marans or Leghorns. More recently there has been a rise in people wanting to just keep a few birds in the garden for their own eggs. This has stimulated a change in the traditional hybrid "warren" or brown chicken, to commercial breeders looking at developing chickens which are fundamentally hybrids but are more varied in colours so you will see hybrids with various names such as "Bluebelles" or "Speckeldys","Bluebelle",with colours described as champagne, blue,black and silver - the choice is endless! However, they will all share the same characteristics and prolific egg-laying capabilities. In addition to producing loads of eggs -you now have a choice of different coloured eggs for example a marans based hybrid like a "speckeldy hen" will produce brown or brown "speckled" eggs," Skyline" hens will produce a nice blue egg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 oooh good reply Tom Chris - if your Poland is a frizzle feathered Poland then its a pure breed To add confusion to it there is a completely separate pure breed called a Frizzle If your bird is a Frizzle x Poland then its a cross breed Silkies shouldnt have any red bits, they should have 'mulberry' (very dark purple/black) faces. If your Silkie has red skin then its not technically pure but may have been bred with every faith as the problem could be several generations back I have copy and pasted this from another forum where someone asked the same question: Ive seen red combed Silkies sold as ' Chinese ' or ' Yangtze ' silkies, but no such fowl exists and its just a sales ploy to shift faulty, sub standard birds. it is hereditary, and sex linked if you cross a melanotic male with a normal fowl female you get melanotic females and normally pigmented males. What you must be careful to do, is to differentiate between what are lighter skinned silkies bred from poorly coloured melanotic silkies, and red combed pink skinned Impure ones, bred from non melanotic plain feathered ancestors. Certain colours, particularly blues it seems, often show red flushing in their combs, faces and wattles, but through careful selective breeding, black features could be restored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjp Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 a hybrid can be the result of 2or3 crosses some times more wont breed true and can only be bread from a certain 'recipe' that will result in the required hybrid. thats how it was explained to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom123 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Thanks Tasha As Tasha said, if your Poland is crossed with a frizzle then yes it is a cross breed however thats how frizzled polands are made in the first place and that's how new breeds are made. Frizzled pekins were made by crossing plain feathered pekins with a frizzle which would end up with a cross breed with some of each breed's characteristics. These would then be bred back to pekins and so on to produce a frizzled, almost 100% pure pekin. This is how new breeds are made but over decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 A Frizzle Poland isn't a hybrid that's a pure breed. Basically a hybrid chicken is the result of the rising commercial demand for eggs (and meat) in the early 50's. In order to respond to the huge demand for eggs the birds needed to be able to reliably produce in the region of 300+eggs a year,they also needed to convert food into eggs as economically as possible. This growth in demand also coincided with the development of the "battery cage" system. Good layers were crossed using special genetic "recipes" to develop the hybrid chicken a "super layer" if you like! Most hybrids are actually derived from well-known utility egg laying breeds such as Rhode Island Red, Marans or Leghorns. More recently there has been a rise in people wanting to just keep a few birds in the garden for their own eggs. This has stimulated a change in the traditional hybrid "warren" or brown chicken, to commercial breeders looking at developing chickens which are fundamentally hybrids but are more varied in colours so you will see hybrids with various names such as "Bluebelles" or "Speckeldys","Bluebelle",with colours described as champagne, blue,black and silver - the choice is endless! However, they will all share the same characteristics and prolific egg-laying capabilities. In addition to producing loads of eggs -you now have a choice of different coloured eggs for example a marans based hybrid like a "speckeldy hen" will produce brown or brown "speckled" eggs," Skyline" hens will produce a nice blue egg. What he said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom123 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 That's cheating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 That's cheating Did you not cheat in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 KIDS! go to your rooms! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 *sulks off to room* *slams door* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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