Chicken bald back

[Jules.]

Quiggins

i bought my first pair of Levi 501's from there (cost £20)- thought I looked like

Kylie ( they were size 8 )

They were 2nd hand- my parents went WILD at this, & my mum tut- tutted at how dirty the washing machine water was when they were first washed before I wore them.

I eventually turned them into hot pants with embroidery all over them

Hubby remarked the other day how he used to do this when I wore them over black opaque tights on some of our early dates

[Jules.]

Sorry, my last post was totally off-topic

[Charlottechicken]

Sorry, my last post was totally off-topic

 

[Guest]

Sorry, my last post was totally off-topic

 

not really, i like talking about quiggins, I really mourn its loss but that's what happens when planners wave money at councils. got to dash to go and see dad but will be back later!

 

xxx

[BeckyBoo]

 

I think it is just more fashionable to 'knock' Tesco

 

Maybe it is, call me a fashion victim then, but then I also took on chickens and ex-batts, and I try to be organic and free range, I recycle and I care about the earth and everything on it. Maybe I jumped on a whole load of bandwagons, or maybe things are "fashionable" because they are of the moment, important, and a lot of people suddenly realise that whatever "it" is, is a good thing to be doing. I disagree with monopolies, Tescos have their fingers in all sorts of pies and have already demonstrated that they will not be swayed by either public demand or opinion when it comes to something as simple or easily remedied as welfare for the animals we eat. It's hardly a minority asking for these things as can be demonstrated by Sainsburys, Marks and Spencers and Waitrose's pledges for improvement.

I hardly think that Tescos have offered to build a new football stadium out of the kindness of their hearts, they've done it because it is now going to be almost impossible for their planning application to be anything other than approved. When Sainsburys round here built their new superstore about 15 years ago they improved all the roads around the local small town (not worthy of being called a village) and built a load of new houses. Kindness of their hearts? Or a bribe to the local council? Who knows. I know what I think and I'm afraid (as you can all already tell) I'm a big mouth who shouts her mouth off whenever I think that something is being done that is wrong and unjust. I might not always be right and I do always listen to arguments, I am completely open to being corrected if I get something wrong. But I stand up for what I believe in.

 

Plus, what justice if he DID have to sacrifice his house for the sake of others, maybe he would then consider the thoughts and feelings of the people who have been living with the threat of compulsory purchase for 18 months. Tescos might pay 150% of the market value, but not everyone wants to move. If I'd instigated the building of a community I'd be pretty bloomin' hacked off if some anonymous corporate giant bulldozed across it without so much as a by your leave.

The houses will get knocked down. He will keep his house. Tescos will get built. They will continue to sell cheap, intensively farmed battery raised products and they won't care, they will just count the money. I happen to think there are more important things in this world than money. (which is why I'm broke most of the time!)

 

 

Mrs "off her soapbox, didn't mean to go on so long" Bertie

[Guest]

very well said Mrs B

 

Maybe people would take a different view if it was their homes and communities under threat.

 

The council (whichever council it is) aren't necessarily doing what is best for the community, even though they may use that argument.

 

Plenty of people opposed the Paradise Street development in Liverpool (me included) did the council take any notice? No! "They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot"!

 

Developers are fast eating up the green spaces and the unique areas with character in Liverpool/Merseyside and the council is laughing all the way to the bank, it's a travesity.

 

Maybe I'm not eloquent enough to sway opinion and that's a shame but then if it isn't happening to you, I suppose it isn't your problem but one day, it just may happen to you.

[susiepoos]

But this lady's arguement is not only with Tesco's but with Everton FC if it wasn't for Everton moving their ground it's doubtful that Tesco's would want to build a store there. Everton started this ball rolling - please don't forget that

[Lesley]

This lady was on BBC Breakfast this morning - I was amazed to hear that her house is only 15 years old and yet someone want to 'regenerate' the area

[Charlottechicken]

 

...but then if it isn't happening to you, I suppose it isn't your problem but one day, it just may happen to you.

 

My house is in a road classed as industrial, there are three builders merchants, three factories, a school, a couple of small industrial businesses, a small factory centre and a welfare centre, it isn't a big road. Every time a factory goes bust or moves on we campaign for housing on the plot, but as the land is classed as industrial the planners won't pass the developments for housing. Previous usage of heavy metals on some of these sites means the land is contaminated and cannot be used even for a supermarket, which most residents would have preferred over another builders yard. We are currently campaigning to reinstate a post office in the area, and planning has gone through for a much needed supermarket in the area. It will be a Tesco, as Asda changed their minds. There will be over 400 jobs up for grabs too. Tesco are currently in talks with the local neighbourhood forum and council about the finer details of what we would like and where, regarding re-siting of crossings and road junctions etc . So, it is happening to me and I stand up and fight where I see fit in my local area as this is where my passions lie. However, I would not take kindly to someone from outside of my area presuming to understand how I live and how my area should change.

[Guest]

 

...but then if it isn't happening to you, I suppose it isn't your problem but one day, it just may happen to you.

 

..... So, it is happening to me .

 

not really, your house isn't under threat. Plus, it sounds like you'd welcome a Tesco in your area which is your prerogative.

Edited April 14, 2008 by Guest

[Guest]

But this lady's arguement is not only with Tesco's but with Everton FC if it wasn't for Everton moving their ground it's doubtful that Tesco's would want to build a store there. Everton started this ball rolling - please don't forget that

 

it's Tesco that have applied for the compulsory purchase order of the houses, not Everton.

[BeckyBoo]

 

However, I would not take kindly to someone from outside of my area presuming to understand how I live and how my area should change.

 

But then surely you would object to Tescos coming in from nowhere and telling you that you should eat intensively farmed food, putting smaller food outlets such as grocers, butchers, fishmongers out of business (if you even have these things left anyway) and telling you that you need a new football stadium when presumably, as in the rest of the country, what is needed is affordable housing and community projects to keep communities together, not to scatter them in all directions when they clearly "want to be together". They aren't building these things to help out with local jobs, they're doing it as another step on the monopoly ladder, dictating what food is available by narrowing down consumer choice. And if they'd just applied to build a supermarket they wouldn't have stood a chance, build a nice new multi million pound football stadium and, funnily enough, planning goes through?! You can't tell me that Everton couldn't afford to build their own stadium if they really wanted to? Look at the wages top footballers are paid, you'll be telling me they're worth it next? I'm sure the average family in Merseyside, or anywhere in the country, would LOVE to be earning a top footballers salary, I'm sorry but I think it's obscene. Talented they may be, dedicated also, but my colleagues put their lives on the line every night, faced with knives and firearms and violence every single day in sunny, commuter belt Surrey. Never mind having to protect the completely unprotected ambulance personnel, firefighters at least are normally fit strong men and women, and what do these people get paid? Not a fortune I can tell you. Try getting on to the property ladder with that as the main salary. If Tescos are SO interested in doing something for the community in which they are setting up a new shop why don't they build housing for teachers, nurses, other essential workers. Or maybe they're only interested in their workers as that is also looking after their own interests. Cynical me, and rambling too I know - being interrupted by various small people asking for food - how very dare they!

[Guest]

Mrs B, I wish you'd stand for election!

[Charlottechicken]

 

not really, your house isn't under threat. Plus, it sounds like you'd welcome a Tesco in your area which is your prerogative.

 

I would welcome a shop within walking distance of the thousand or so homes in my area where the people who live round me can shop and buy basic foodstuffs. It happens to be Tesco, it could easily have been Asda, but they pulled out, something to do with the parent company.

 

If Tescos are SO interested in doing something for the community in which they are setting up a new shop why don't they build housing for teachers, nurses, other essential workers. Or maybe they're only interested in their workers as that is also looking after their own interests.

 

I thought Tesco was a business, it is up to them what they do with their profits surely?

[BeckyBoo]

 

I thought Tesco was a business, it is up to them what they do with their profits surely?

 

Absolutely. Unless the undermining agenda is to get something for themselves that they wouldn't ordinarily get. The other word for that is a bribe.

You might as well say that battery hen farmers are perfecty entitled to dispose of their hens at 18 months old as it's a matter of economic sense. Which it is. In business you don't persevere with something that is no longer economically viable. Doesn't mean it's morally right though and it won't stop big mouths like me and thousands of others shouting their mouths off to get things changed. It won't be in the battery farmers interests to change, but it will be in the interests of the silent majority, ie; the hens.

I do have a problem with Tescos I'm afraid, alongside a lot of other major companies who seem to be going for world domination in the grocery business. Because they are then able to dictate by price what we eat and how much. And I won't be dictated to. Some of the supermarkets are at least making some concessions to public demand, not major ones but it's a start. Tescos Morrisons, Asda and Somerfield have all basically stuck two fingers up to the consumer, to the farmed animal and to anyone interested in the quality of the food we put into our bodies and our childrens bodies. They have said "If you don't like it, tough". Which is fine, we all have consumer choices. Unless your only grocers is Tescos, or Morrisons, or Asda or Somerfield because they have priced all the local establishments out of the area. And if you don't drive, or you'd rather not make a 14 mile round trip for your apples, or you have difficulties getting out and about then no, you don't have a choice and you have to take what's in front of you.

Which is funny because I thought that the customer was always right (?) and that it was supply and demand. In other words, what is in demand is then supplied. Not supply and like it or lump it.

I will continue to shout about companies that think they can dictate to us what we whould and shouldn't do, how we should live our lives, how our children should be raised because as I've said before I'm a big mouth and I think it should be shouted about. I think they are businessmen, obviously, and they are in it for the money, and the power. But then again Hitler was in it for the power. And I say it again, I happen to think there are other things in this world besides money. It is morally wrong for anyone to ride roughshod over another person regardless of that person and their family and community.

 

Told you I was gobby

[Guest]

Which is funny because I thought that the customer was always right (?) and that it was supply and demand. In other words, what is in demand is then supplied.

 

Sadly, that is the point. Here on the forum, we like to assume that we are the 'norm, and that everyone that shops in a supermarket has the same beliefs and standards as we do, but sadly we are in the minority. When supermarkets like Tesco say they are doing what their customers want (ie, still selling value chicken at a pittance) it is because that is actually the truth. I used to work in stock control for Tesco, and I can assure you, what the customer wants, the customer gets.

 

It's a sad truth in this day and age that the vast majority of the British public want as much as they can get, for as little as they can get away with, and morals and principles simply don't come in to it. The major supermarkets are constantly fighting each other to get this custom, because, at the end of the day, they are all publically traded companies, with share holders by their thousands, all demanding an extra 2p per share in their dividend payout.

[Guest]

I think a strong point of this argument is that Government money was used to build these homes in 1992. That is our, public money. It is outrageous that these same homes could be compulsorily purchased (at great profit to the Government?) just 16 years later.

 

I'm sure there must be brownfield sites available in the Everton area which would benefit from regeneration. There is no need to build a football stadium or a supermarket on top of people's homes. Wherever they put the stadium and supermarket, people will travel to it.

 

I don't like bullies either!

[hennymom]

Mrs B you say such ma=eaningful words would you object if any of us copied your words and pasted them into the other site...your words are inspirational and some guys cant put words into text as well as you have , also felling inadequate at having to find something to comment on may be a put off but if they can use your comeent and copy and paste it many more may add there names