whoopsie Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Edit by Sheila; have split this discussion from the Body Shop topic. As I understand it Body Shop is 92% owned by L'Oreal, which is 29% owned by Nestle. Yes it is, and 4000 dead children per day is more than enough to put me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A chickychickychick-ENN!! Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Sorry Whoopsie, not following. How does that figure correlate to Nestle? Is that an estimate of how many children die connected to the whole baby milk thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoopsie Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 Yep it is - any company associating with Nestle is buying into that and therefore supporting it! Global problem unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheilaz Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Yes, if you want to find out more Chickychickychickenn, search Baby Milk Action. I'd like to emphasize that the group is not against informed choice in use of formula, but rather certain misleading marketing strategies used in this profitable business. BMA campaign for clearer (in correct language!), truthful labelling, (no, formula doesn't make babies more intelligent or healthier than breastfed ones!) and sadly this is still a necessary struggle. I believe it was formed 2 or 3 decades ago when Nestle were handing out free formula samples, for just long enough to stop mothers breastfeeding, and have to buy formula, to desperate mothers who only had access to unclean water. Shameful. Because of this, as Whoopsie highlights, I still avoid Nestle & associated (there are many!)products when I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadietoo Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I agree. IMO when Body Shop sold out to L'Oreal they sold out big time. Not only do the ethics not match at all ( where does it say on L'oreal products that the ingredients have been fair traded and not tested on animals??), but there is the whole depressing Nestle Milk thing. I remember a while back there was an issue with contaminated milk powder for Babies here in the UK and it caused a huge furore...its a shame a similar amount of regard is not given to babies in less priveleged societies! drags soap box off and heads off to bed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesley Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Yes, if you want to find out more Chickychickychickenn, search Baby Milk Action. I'd like to emphasize that the group is not against informed choice in use of formula, but rather certain misleading marketing strategies used in this profitable business. BMA campaign for clearer (in correct language!), truthful labelling, (no, formula doesn't make babies more intelligent or healthier than breastfed ones!) and sadly this is still a necessary struggle. I believe it was formed 2 or 3 decades ago when Nestle were handing out free formula samples, for just long enough to stop mothers breastfeeding, and have to buy formula, to desperate mothers who only had access to unclean water. Shameful. Because of this, as Whoopsie highlights, I still avoid Nestle & associated (there are many!)products when I can. Same here - it must be 3 decades and yet Nestle feel that they are a big enough company to ignore it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen & co. Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 We were told about Nestle and baby milk when I was doing my midwifery Because a lot of companies like this are soo huge they own lots of others, so avoiding them is really difficult Karen x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoopsie Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 Karen -BMA do a little card with all the companies and products printed on it - It's not hard at all once you get the hang of it!! They won the case against Cow and Gate AND Aptamil recently for trying to make out they had some new fantastic formula for health - trouble is they are so big that billions in lawsuits don't make a dent. It still drives me mad that none of the formula tins tell parents that the formula needs to be made up HOT to kill off bacteria - as if it doesn't matter. Want to try and go to the demonstration next year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenanne Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 What is maybe stronger than tryin to avoid Nestle products is also sending a letter to them explaining WHY you're avoinding them, if possible including an estiamte of how much you spend on alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoopsie Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 What is maybe stronger than tryin to avoid Nestle products is also sending a letter to them explaining WHY you're avoinding them, if possible including an estiamte of how much you spend on alternatives. Ha ha that's been going on for the past 30 years, on a regular basis, along with an annual demonstration outside thier offices in Cambridge!!!!!!! BTW this week is International Nestle-Free Week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Oh no, this is all very disappointing. I have only just started to indulge myself with bath stuff from the Body Shop as apparentlywrongly assumed that they were a pretty ethical company. Where can I get similar stuff that ticks all the right boxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoopsie Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hi Chucky Mama, try l'Occitane, Faith in Nature or Neal's Yard Remedies. They do some lovely stuff and I haven't found out anything nasty about them so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Thanks I will have a look, typical though isn't it, I started to indulge when bought some Body Shop stuff for Christmas last year and DD was going to ask for a gift voucher for Christmas. I will have a look at your suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenanne Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Ha ha that's been going on for the past 30 years, on a regular basis, along with an annual demonstration outside thier offices in Cambridge!!!!!!! BTW this week is International Nestle-Free Week Doesn't matter how long has been going on for: if they know how much their immoral practices are costing them they're more likely to change. Don't matter how callous or immoral individual directors are; they will see their responsibility is to the success of the business. Show that their policies damage that and there is a better chance of them changing their policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A chickychickychick-ENN!! Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Hi Chucky Mama, try l'Occitane, Faith in Nature or Neal's Yard Remedies. They do some lovely stuff and I haven't found out anything nasty about them so far! Other than the price! I love L'Occitane and Neal's Yard, but lordy, you need to hock your soul to keep in soap. What about Lush? They seem to try hard to be ethical. Anyone got any off-the-radar dirt on them or are they good and proper? Here's a thought - how about making your own? I've toyed with the idea of making some for Xmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesley Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 The only problem I know of with Lush is that thay still use SLS in their products - although they say they have reduced the levels. There's also the Naked range....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoopsie Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 Ha ha that's been going on for the past 30 years, on a regular basis, along with an annual demonstration outside thier offices in Cambridge!!!!!!! BTW this week is International Nestle-Free Week Doesn't matter how long has been going on for: if they know how much their immoral practices are costing them they're more likely to change. Don't matter how callous or immoral individual directors are; they will see their responsibility is to the success of the business. Show that their policies damage that and there is a better chance of them changing their policies. Well the laws are stronger in this country but they still get taken to court - though they have VERY big lawyers. They have a much stronger hold in other countries where there is little or no regulation, and they are allowed to use free samples and bribes, which are banned here. It is really scary whe you realise what a stronghold Nestle actually have, which is why there has been a boycott for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A chickychickychick-ENN!! Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 The only problem I know of with Lush is that thay still use SLS in their products - although they say they have reduced the levels. There's also the Naked range....... Is that sodium laurel sulphate? Just read up on that and it sounds terrifying. I tend to use Lush scrubs and they leave you feeling oiled which looks like the opposite of what SLS does which is to strip natural oils from the skin. Must go and have a read to see what's in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Speckled Hen Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 BMA do a little card with all the companies and products printed on it - It's not hard at all once you get the hang of it!! Yes indeed it's here http://www.babymilkaction.org/pages/products.html and if you actually look on the Nestlé website you can get an idea of how many products it owns worldwide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhapsody Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Just posted up the link on Facebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
