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[PeckyBeak]

I have found a couple of poos with some bright red blood in. A bit jelly like.

My big girls are 2 years old and had a coxoid vaccination when young. Does it wear off? What else could it be?

I have chicks that are 10 weeks old that are on growers with the coxoid addition in, they are separate from the big girls but free-range separately on the same ground.

I don't know which chicken it was as I didn't see it happen and I have 23 of them.

They all seem fine other than that, although a couple have not layed for a few days and I have had one or two softies.

Any ideas would be appreciated

Edited October 1, 2010 by Guest

[The Dogmother]

It could possibly be coccidiosis - best dose their water with Coxoid soonest.

 

Make sure that you clear their run, disinfect the soil with some Stalosan or BioDri and then put new litter down. Keep it dry with a clear, waterproof cover as Cocci and other bacterial infections thrive in wet litter.

[PeckyBeak]

Thanks Claret, could it be something else though, dont really want to dose all of them if not that. There doesn't seem to be any other symptoms.

Is there an egg withdrawal period with the coxoid treatment and will I be able to get it easily as I thought it was for pigeons?

[The Dogmother]

If there is a chance of Cocci, then they would all need dosing pronto. Egg withdrawal will apply - I think it's a week, but I'm at work, so can't check on the bottle. You'd probably find the answer online though. I'd rather have egg withdrawal than dead chooks though.

[sari]

I think sometimes they shed intestinal lining as well, which looks like blood....There's a poo picture thread on another poultry forum, with lots of pictures and explanantions...I'll see if I can find it...

 

http://chat.allotment.org.uk/index.php?topic=17568.0 it is pictures of poo, so be prepared...I'm not at all squeamish, but know some are.

 

Hope your girls are ok....

 

Sari x x

[Jools]

If the chicks/growers are on medicated feed then you shouldn't use Coxoid at the same time.

 

With the adults, you could try Herban instead - I've treated cocci successfully with it this year at a dose of 2ml per litre of water. It's a natural product so there is no egg withdrawl period and it has other health benefits too. The maintenance dose is 1ml per 2l of water and I have the group that had cocci on that all the time at the moment, just to be sure it's gone.

 

Coxoid works too, but it is harsh and you do need to discard the eggs - I'm not sure how long for as there's the usual "not licensed for poultry" on it.

 

 

edited to correct "should" to "shouldn't" - sorry!!!!!

Edited October 2, 2010 by Guest

[Egluntyne]

There is an egg withdrawal period if you give coxoid, as it is *not licensed for use on poultry in UK

[Plum]

Withdrawal is 4 weeks probably because not licensed. i.e. tested.

[PeckyBeak]

Could'nt get Coxoid yesterday, only one available was out of date. Found more bloody poo in tray this morning, think it is only one hen doing it, will try to find out which by process of elimination. Thought I would get a sample to vet tomorrow to have tested, hopefully to get results in a few days time.

I am hoping that it isn't coccidiosis and then I won't have to treat all my girls. Though then one chicken obviously has some other problem

Wouldn't there be other symptoms with cocci? The girls don't seem poorly, just their normal unruly selves

 

Is Coxoid the treatment that a vet would normally give, or is there an alternative treatment that is licensed for poultry?

Edited October 3, 2010 by Guest

[Chucky Mama]

Vets will use Coxoid too. There is nothing licensed for chickens. What is their status re Flubenvet worming? Have they been done within the last 3-4 months? You say that your 2 year olds had a Coxoid vaccination I was not aware that there was such a thing.

[PeckyBeak]

Thanks Chucky Mama, they had Paracox at 5-7 days of age, the sheet showing the vaccination programme doesn't say how administered, I had assumed it was injected. they also had the usual IB, Salmonella, etc. Don't know how long these vaccines last though.

They were wormed with Flubenvet Mid August.

[Chucky Mama]

Ah, OK, in that case Paracox which is given orally provides only 40 days protection. Won't hurt them to be wormed again if you are worried. Depends on your set up really and how likely it is for your ground to be heavily infested. Might be worth sending a poo sample off for analysis. It would make sense to do so to give an indication as to whether your worming regime is good enough. Cocci would still be top of the list though. Poo samples would cover that too though

[The Dogmother]

Your vet would probably be able to analyse the poo and get back to you in a matter of hours, or a day at most - I know that mine can. The you can be sure of giving the right treatment.

[PeckyBeak]

Thanks Claret, the sample is with the friendliest local chick vet (30mile round trip) unfortunately everything here is slower. The earliest results will be in a weeks time at a cost of around £50. She has had a antibiotic injection meantime, and is showing no signs of ill health, vet says it could be an infection but the poos have a lot of blood in them.

She is a tough girl and my favourite chook, so hoping it's nothing serious. :pray:

[Plum]

Took 5 days for specimen for mine to get back before she started treatment for coccidia. There is a herbal remedy called Herban you can buy which is said to be effective but may interact with the antibiotics so I would check with a pharmacist or vet first if you consider this.

 

Some of the literature about cocci says treat early or they will be dead in days but guess this relates to young chicks who have little body weight.

 

From what I know there are two main diseases causing blood in poo one is coccidia which there are 5 types in chickens but only 3 are pathogenic

http://www.thepoultrysite.com/diseaseinfo/33/coccidiosis-caecal-e-tenella

http://www.thepoultrysite.com/diseaseinfo/34/coccidiosis-ileorectal-e-brunetti

 

and the other is ulcerative enteritis

http://www.thepoultrysite.com/diseaseinfo/162/ulcerative-enteritis-quail-disease

[The Dogmother]

As Plum has said, early treatment is essential. Most vets would diagnose on symptoms and start treatment while analysing the poo for confirmation. Luckily my vet can do same-day analysis.

[Jools]

I think it depends on what they're testing for. Looking for worms eggs or oocysts is a same day result, but if they have to do other tests, it does take longer. From the cost of yours Pecky, I'd say your vet is doing the full range of tests.

 

I had the full caboodle done earlier this year when one of my LF was poorly. Retfords tested for parasitology (which includes cocci), campylobacter, bacteriology (coliforms) and mycology (yeasts and fungi) and a faecal smear, which took the best part of a week. Interestingly, when I queried the egg withdrawl for Coxoid, they actually recommended Herban instead, which is what gave me the confidence to rely on it.

 

Here's hoping that your chook has nothing serious Pecky and that the antibiotic injection will do the trick.

[Chucky Mama]

They don't have to be chook vets to send a poo sample off for you. You can take a pot to pretty much any vet.Just ask them to send it to the lab that they use to be checked for cocci and a worm egg count.

[The Dogmother]

Mine does it in-house, probably why it takes less time.