sim Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) this is a real quick on because I need to tend to my poorly girl. Excuse brevity and typos. Took my girl to the vets today with ?gapeworm, and the vet conirms that she too ise sure that's what it is. I'm a bit behind on worming, only by a few weeks though, or so I thought. I have some Flubenvet now, and tried the grape method but she's not interested. I read here http://club.omlet.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=4619 that I can mix it with water. Is it important how much water? Can anyone give me more in depth info? I have to syringe does her some antibiotics too, but not until tomorrow. Any help would be gratefully received. Sorry If I've missed something about this somewhere. I'm going to dose the other girls as usual, but Flump just isn't eating because she's struggling too much. I feel terrible. Thanks in advance x Edited January 27, 2012 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Did the vet not prescribe something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 The vet would normally prescribe (for gapeworm) a double dose of Flubenvet, mixed with the pellets as usual and eggs withdrawn. Sometimes they suggest Panacur but this is off label and not licensed. I'd check again with your vet but don't delay as you need to start the treatment soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Yes, she prescribed Flubenvet (delivered tomorrow, I got some from somewhere else for today), and antibiotics in case it's not gapeworm.. I need to start it soon but not sure how to get it down her as she's not eating. Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Does the vet know that she's not eating? The bird might need an injectable wormer then. If it is gapeworm then the vet ought to be able to diagnose very quickly - do they usually treat birds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 She doesn't normally see poultry bu she rang a specialist . She didn't know she wasn't eating then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Might be worth ringing to speak to the vet and telling them then. I don't know where you are in the UK, but have you looked at the chicken vet list in the FAQ section to see if there's one near you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 I appreciate all the help so far, but I'm trying to bath my toddler, thoroughly clean the chooks, On the verge d a breakdown even without the chooks, got tonsillitis, trying to nurse a poorly, and i'm doing this on my phone. There's no chane of getting her to another vet until 1030pm (I'm in Wolverhampton). Pretty much at the end of my tether, dies anyone know how much flubenvet and water to put in a syringe for her, please :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coco Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I had a young pekin that had suspected gapeworm, she already had it when I got her. I mixed Flubenvet and water in a 1ml . I did this for a few days, she also had antibiotics but it took 6 weeks of TLC to get her well again. Hope your girl gets better soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Tricky to answer this as the correct method of administration is to mix it with the pellets so that the dose is taken in over the course of the day. At it is urgent a bit of guesswork won't make things worse, so I'd mix 1/4 tsp with 250 mls water and try to syringe some into her at hourly intervals. ** Please note, this is not the accepted way of doing things**. Whereabouts are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Thanks all, I just need to buy some time before she can eat. I'm in Wolverhampton and hoping my son's now asleep so I can see to the poorly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ain't Nobody Here Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 If you struggle with syringing water into her, perhaps it would ok to mix it with something wet-ish like tinned sweetcorn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 I had no trouble syringing her with the water mix, so I'll be back in a short while to ask a few more questions Thanks again all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Right, here I am. Apologies for the appalling typing and brevity of my posts. I promise I can spell, but I've been typing here on my (non smart) phone whilst trying to feed/bathe my 2 year old who's been grumpy all day because of ferrying him around to the vets and various chicken-related shops. He's normally absolutely golden, so I think the stress has rubbed off on him a bit. In the vets he said, "Flump poorly, kiss it better" :'( It was only today I noticed Flump wasn't well. She's normally the most vocal of the three, but she was making a really odd, strained crowing noise occasionally. Did a quick search on the net and I figured it must be gapeworm. They were due a worming at Christmas time, and I'm ashamed to say that, with everything that's been going on, I forgot about it. Never again. Went out to buy some wormer. None in the shop I get all our supplies from. So went home, picked up my son (my partner was still just about in by then), went to Wolverhampton as I was sure I'd seen some in Wilkinsons, it must have been Verm X I'd seen. But they didn't have it in that store anyway. Went back home, called several vets who 'didn't do' chickens. Found one who did, squeezed into the TINIEST of parking spaces because some woman just in front of me had parked inconsiderately (more stress, and I am, if I may say so myself, an excellent parker!). The vet examined Flump for blockages and said it sounds like it's an upper respiratory thing and that it looks like gapeworm. I said that it's as I expected. She said she doesn't normally see a lot of poultry (it was Wolverhampton city centre...) and the nurse who knows about poultry is away. So she rang the drugs companies and a specialist for help. She gave Flump some IM abx, Baytril, and gave me an oral suspension. She ordered in the Flubenvet as I wasn't sure if I'd be able to get to the shop she says stock it (I normally get it premixed online). So I got all that ordered and took Flump and The Toddler home. Then I saw how poorly Flump looked and rushed out to go to the shop the vet said have Fluvbenvet. Got back, Flump looking ill Started to give the house and run a really good clean, put down some ground disinfectant stuff, got up every last s"Ooops, word censored!" of poo and cleaned all the food and water tubs thoroughly. This was hard work with The Toddler It was dark by now and he wanted his tea. I've had nothing to eat or drink all day, it's only now that I've sat down. Utterly exhausted. So The Toddler's now in bed, Flump has had her first syringe full of liquid Flubenvet.She's been very easy to handle today, which is worrying in itself as she's normally the most aloof, least tame and most flighty. I know I need to give her this mix every hour. Until it's all gone? Through the night? I'm thinking about keeping her in the travel box tonight, but it's not very big to be honest. She's standing in her Eglu at the moment, it must be easier to breathe. So I don't really want to force her to sit if it makes it worse... I don't really know what to do. Keep her in here, or leave her in her Eglu with the others? I've mixed the Flubenvet in the food for the rest of the chooks. So that's good to go when they're ready to eat. Oh, also wanted to ask about the eggs. The vet checked about egg withdrawal with the Baytril but I was a bit confused. There is egg withdrawal (I forget the length of time) but she said it wasn't really meant for domestic chickens, it was more mass-produced eggs. Can anyone help with that? And can I give the eggs back to the chooks to eat? I can't tell hers apart from the others so will have to chuck all of them Also, the eggs she's already laid pre-Baytril are still good for consumption, aren't they? I'm sort of avoiding looking at Gapeworm on the net, I'm sure you understand why Thanks all for your patience and help. Been sick with anxiety for one reason or another all day. But you've all helped, thank you x Edited January 26, 2012 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 I just looked at the Baytril, there clearly is an egg withdrawal period. I'm thinking now that the vet said something like 30 days. Can anyone clarify? Think I'm keeping the poorly in the house for tonight. No way we'll get any sleep with all the wheezing and crowing, but hey ho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staceychristie Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Sent you PM with some thoughts. Best to keep her clear of the others, isolate the poorly, as they may pick on her, and risk of cross contamination if not Gapeworm, but still risk of poop,water from beak etc etc. Good Luck Stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Thanks so much for the PM, it was very much appreciated. Everyone's been so helpful, even when I had a mini breakdown and cane across a bit rude. Soz about that everyone! Flump's in her box with the top off in the kitchen. She's got water, food and Ready Brek made with her Flubenvet formula. She's still wheezy and crowy but is sitting down... Hoping this is a good thing rather than a bad thing... I've decided I'll keep an all-night vigil as I don't think I can cope with being woken! I'll ask my Nan or in-laws to have The Toddler tomorrow so I can get myself off to bed. Still, will be nice to have time to play Skyrim... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 So sorry to hear about all your travails - what a bad few days you've had! Baytril has a 7 day withdrawal period. Not sure what the vet would recommend, but I'd dose all of them with a double dose of Flubenvet to be careful in case any of the others have picked up any gape worms, but it's very rare. Just keep up the good housekeeping with the ground sanitising powder etc. Moochoo on this forum lives in Brum, not sure if she's near you but I'm sure she won't mind you PMing her to see if she has a chook savvy vet near her - I am sure that she probably has. Good luck and let us know how you get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 So sorry to hear about all your travails - what a bad few days you've had! Baytril has a 7 day withdrawal period. Not sure what the vet would recommend, but I'd dose all of them with a double dose of Flubenvet to be careful in case any of the others have picked up any gape worms, but it's very rare. Just keep up the good housekeeping with the ground sanitising powder etc. Moochoo on this forum lives in Brum, not sure if she's near you but I'm sure she won't mind you PMing her to see if she has a chook savvy vet near her - I am sure that she probably has. Good luck and let us know how you get on. Stacey has recommended a chook vet in Nuneaton, so I will probably give him a ring tomorrow if no improvement. It shouldn't be a problem to get over there if I need to. When you say double dose (excuse my being obtuse), but that just means instead of mixing 1 level scoop in 2kg, to mix 2 scoops in instead? I've already set up their food for tomorrow, but no problems to add another scoop. And that's for a week as well? Again, not on the computer so it's really difficult to find these things out! Thanks again. What would I do without you all! Anyone want to pull an all-nighter with me then? Come on, it'll be like The Breakfast Club, only at night. And online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 That's right, the dose should be double, but technically it should only be given on the instruction of a vet - what dosage did your vet recommend? It's worth calling round all the vets in your area (when things quieten down a bit) and see if you can find one which has an avian specialist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coco Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Double check but when my girl had gapeworm my chicken savvy vet said to do 3/4 days with double dose flubenvet then repeat in two weeks time, then repeat again as needed, apparently normal one off 7 day treatment doesn't get rid of gape worm it has to be repeated at regular intervals. I only gave the flubenvet mixed with water until my hen had perked up enough to feed on her own, think it was a couple of days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 That's right, the dose should be double, but technically it should only be given on the instruction of a vet - what dosage did your vet recommend? It's worth calling round all the vets in your area (when things quieten down a bit) and see if you can find one which has an avian specialist. Well, she didn't go into great detail because I'll be getting it tomorrow, and it was my choice to fetch some elsewhere to get it done sooner. She just said that there will be detailed instructions, so I'm guessing she'll tell me to just do it as it says on the box. Is it really bad to give them too much? The other two girls seem well enough and are eating just fine so I'm guessing they'll be getting plenty of worker down them. Moochoo was very helpful, so I now have two recommendations that I couldn't find elsewhere, so thank you all! I checked that sticky list earlier and couldn't find any vets listed for West Midlands, Staffordshire, Shropshire or Warwickshire. Unless I was being really thick, which is of course a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Double check but when my girl had gapeworm my chicken savvy vet said to do 3/4 days with double dose flubenvet then repeat in two weeks time, then repeat again as needed, apparently normal one off 7 day treatment doesn't get rid of gape worm it has to be repeated at regular intervals. I only gave the flubenvet mixed with water until my hen had perked up enough to feed on her own, think it was a couple of days. I completely missed this, thanks for the advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 Double check but when my girl had gapeworm my chicken savvy vet said to do 3/4 days with double dose flubenvet then repeat in two weeks time, then repeat again as needed, apparently normal one off 7 day treatment doesn't get rid of gape worm it has to be repeated at regular intervals. I only gave the flubenvet mixed with water until my hen had perked up enough to feed on her own, think it was a couple of days. Reeeeallly sorry everyone, I know the 'how much Flub' posts are boring, but how much in water is a "double dose"? I'm giving her 1ml of scoop flub/ 250ml water every hour, but is the double or single dose? Should I up it? I know there's probably no hard and fast answer as it's not supposed to be given like this, but I can't do much else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 There is no real answer to that one. I'd carry on as you are for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
