beccauk Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 hi I have a pied suffork thats under the weather, shes not eating her treats and isolates herself sitting on her perch just sits and sleeps when we let them out to FR she will have a wonder then just stand and seem to nod off. been reading some posts about black head and mycoplasma and took pictures some pictures of dropping today Please if someone could advise of what would be best to treat her with, I was going to order some herban asread about iton here. many thanks for any help/advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimi5 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Hi there, sorry your girl is unwell What makes you think blackhead or mycoplasma??? I have had experience with myco and the symptoms can vary, but usually you have some of them, i.e bubbly eyes, sneezing, runny nose, rattly cough, not eating and loss of weight. If she has either you will need to take her to the vet as home remedies won't help I'm afraid. Myco can be treated and my hens all recovered well with baytril. I'm afraid I have no experience of blackhead, but hopefully somebody who has will be able to advise you. Let us know how you get on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccauk Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 Hi both sounded possible but she hasnt got the flu type signs , the blackhead sounds the nearest A decrease in feed consumption and loss of weight may be the first signs observed. Sick birds appear dull and depressed, and often stand by themselves with dropping trails, ruffled feathers, and a sleepy appearance. Sulphur colored yellow droppings may be observed. She is ruffled up and sleepy and seems to isolate herself. The photo of dropping has a bright yellowy bit to me which is a Sulphurie colour. Reading about it sounds as I comes from earth worms? If this is the disease it says treatment is dimetridazole in the drinking water, shes still with the other chickens and the others seem fine. would really like advice , none of our local vets seem to have much knowledge of poultry. many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimi5 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I would do a search on here as I remember Mrs B had a case of blackhead. I have a feeling her girl didn't make it though and she had to do a very through clean of the run. Sorry I can't remember more details You could also do a search for poos as there is a fab thread with pictures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccauk Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 She does seem to be eating, is there anything else that has these symptoms, has someone had a chicken that just wants to sit on her perch and nap. She doesn't run round as much like the others do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miller30 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Hi you could try giving her coxoid for 7 days leanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Have you wormed her with Flubenvet recently? If she had myco it would be obvious. She would be snotty and sniffly, coughing and would have a foamy discharge from her eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccauk Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Hi thank you for your help I havent heard of coxiod? What is it? we use the liquid verm-x monthly I have read about flubenvet on hre people using it, is it better then verm-x do you have to get it from a from vets? And does it have an egg withdrawal? thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccauk Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Just been reading about coxiod, they use it for treating coccidosis and dropping can contain blood not seen any, also think I read it has a 28 day egg withdrawal, what would be best to try , the herban seems a general alriunder for sick chickens unsure of diagnosis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Coxxoid is a treatment for coccidiosis, not Blackhead. There is lots of information about Flubenvet on the internet. It is the only wormer available 'over the counter' for worming chickens. There is no egg withdrawal period. Herbal supplements are no longer able to describe themselves as wormers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccauk Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Ok I didnt know that about wormers, il have to look it up, I know coxoid is for coccidosis but just that miller30 asked if I had tried it. Do you think it sounds like blackhead should I treat her with wormer , ive given her some wormer yesterday and put some garlic in the drinking water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimi5 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Ok the best all round wormer for chickens is Flubenvet. You can get it in a powder you have to dose and mix with their pellets and feed only this food for 7 days no free ranging or treats, Or you can get pellets with it already added. It's advisable to worm every quarter (3 months) It can't hurt and may help But if you're really worried take her to a vet or maybe just a poo sample for testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccauk Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Just ordered some flubevet, ive been using verm-x for 2 years thinking I was looking after my chickens every month , its just a preventative, I feel so stupid and a bad chicken keeper. lasttime i was advised by the people i brought my chickens from to do that, I took a dropping to be tested the vet said he didnt know what he could test for... I feel I have a better chance with the forum. They dont seem to deal with poultry much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccauk Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 Hope it comes in time yesterday and this morning she's been going and staying in her house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beantree Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Blackhead is pretty rare in Chickens, usually caught from Turkeys (or wild pheasants I think). I misdiagnosed it once when I started keeping chickens. The whole flock developed black combs and wattles overnight. I panicked and looked it up on the internet and then phoned the vet for an emergency consultation. Couldn't see me for a few hours so I decided to look closer at the chickens. I then tried bathing a comb and found the black just washed off! Turned out they had been eating fallen cherries. The juice had splattered al over their heads and the following soil bath had stuck soil to them. I cancelled the vet appointment and had the embarrassment of explaining my mistake. Sounds like worms are likely Beccauk and it is a good place to start anyway. Vermex subtly changed the wording on their packaging a year or so ago, no longer claiming it to be an effective wormer. But I bet there a still a lot of people using it without realising the change, as we did until someone told us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccauk Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 Yes some reviews I read about people who brought flubenvet said they had been using vermx and thought same as me. Yea I read it seemskto be with turkeys it did seem rare for me to get it. Some of the dropping in the house are green/pastle green to like a sage varying slight ly does this mean anything. Im wkndering if that yellowy dropling was from the sweetcorn we had fed her but it had been within half an hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccauk Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 I come home from work tonight shes been in the coop most the day again, brought her in the kitchen she felt cold and when stood there seemed to shiver slightly every so often, she did a dropping so took a photo, and I cooked some spegetti up her fravorite and made a hot water bottle, put it in the coop tonight see if she wants it. Thought anothe Photo might help diagnose. Sorry about spegetti on my beak thank you so much for everyones advice and help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs_B Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) Hi beccauk, I hope it is worms as others have suggested - Mimi is right in that I had a flock that unfortunately had Blackhead and one of my girls who was badly affected did die. My chickens also all had Coccidiosis and I had treated everything I could possibly clean with anything that killed that parasite - in fact I still so it now and worm my chickens every 3 months with Flubenvet due to the nature of Blackhead and Coccidiosis affecting the soil and I will always assume it's in the garden. It's believed Blackhead had a sudden impact due to Coccidiosis and my hens being vulnerable. There isn't too much you can do for Blackhead and as been said - it's very very rare and more likely something else. If you chooks have only had Verm-X (I also thought this would be OK as a wormer at first!) instead of Flubenvet hopefully you'll find a vast improvement once your girl has been wormed Whilst some chickens with Blackhead may have sulphur poops mine had bright green poops, and when my one girl became very ill it went different shades of green depending on how much fluid I managed to get into her. When a chicken succumbs to Black Head they become very ill, and in the end I have to feed and give fluids through a syringe. She couldn't stand straight and everything inside started to shut down. Unfortunately you can only really know if it's Blackhead via a post mortem after the chicken has passed away. And I had no idea it was definitely Blackhead until I had the PM - I always assumed it was the Coccidiosis (which can be confirmed through a poop sample). Good luck - as I said I hope your girl gets better soon I will keep an eye on your thread and try and help if I can. x Edit - Spelling! Edited February 26, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccauk Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 Can I treat her when the flubevet comes, directly a stronger dose then in the food if shes not eating much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs_B Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 That's a very good question and I can only answer with what I did... I mixed enough Flubenvet up with the pellets as instructed - at one point I actually did the recommended stronger dose for lung worm to treat the Cocci when the first dose didn't help (it says how to measure this in the instructions I believe) but the normal dose should be absolutely fine in your case if it's worms. Are you force feeding your hen through a syringe? I only ever gave my sick girl the food that was already premade with Flubenvet - I never made the dose stronger to make up for anything missed if you know what I mean? Normally a chicken will eat what they need which is sufficient but if you are feeding them yourself I would use the same made up pellets with Flubenvet but just mash it up with hot water to make a porridge type texture and give what you can to your chicken when it's cooled, with plenty of fluids if she's finding it hard to swallow/it's dry. x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccauk Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 Im not having to syringe her yet I just do t want her to get too worse before it starts to work that was only why I asked. I can make a porridge up for her. Thank you for your help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccauk Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 We took her to the vets tonight the flubenvet hadnt come and shes feels boney and still not well seems worse , asked if they did a worm injection, thought it might be more direct, the vet said she had lost weight, that we know and was hardly any muscle to inject into , so gave it orally its a wormer used on cattle apparently said it should clear it and take her back in 2 weeks incase needs a second dose, she seems to want to eat and is drinking herself since we have been back, I asked about doing a dropping sample to check if it was worms , she said its not worth doing as cost more then if had 2 injections, I didnt feel that was the attitude expecially after she had said there not like having a unwell dog where we can take bloods and see what the problem is. fingers crossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccauk Posted February 27, 2014 Author Share Posted February 27, 2014 Update, it is worms she had them in a dropping she did this morning, think its round worm, she seemed to pick up abit but for most of day seemed to of gone back down not really eaten only occasionally drinking water weve tried afew different things, any advice would be great, whats the stages for recovory from round worm , is this normal? Theres been a couple worms each time shes has a dropping is this a bad infestation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beantree Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 If you see any worms in the poo it is a very bad infestation Beccauk. After administering wormer the worms die giving off toxins that can make them very ill as well. So it is fingers crossed that she recovers. It is important that they are wormed regularly to avoid an excessive buildup. I must add though that some birds build a tolerance to their worm burden and show no apparent ill effects. The free-ranging flock by us has never been wormed and they all seem healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccauk Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 Is there anything I can give her to help or anything best to syringe as shes not eating or drinking just sleeping all puffed up with her tail down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
