GKH Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Hi Guys Advice please, there must be HR or sensible people out there I have just been offered a new job (yeah - very pleased) 3 people in my team have been told they are high risk of redundancy, so it was looking pretty likey they would go or take a role in another dept. (not quite as good) so today i did the right thing (i think) and told people i had a firm job offer so then my post (previously safe from redundancy) is on offer 2 of the 3 could potentially do my job - so great for them one could now be saved. I explained to management that i was letting them know straight away as my work mates would be affect by this. everyone wants to move forward on this as soon as possible . i have recieved my contract health thingie, CRB check etc this evening and it says the offer is conditional on passing everything. Whilst i am confident i will pass i realise i would be daft to formally resign until i have the final acceptance letter in my hand. Unfortunatley in my efforts to be fair to my work colleagues - management are tying to bully me into resigning on Friday before things are finalised for me. Its awful,the atmosphere her is terrible with all the redundancies but i'm not prepared to resign until i had a firm offer. even my mates who i was trying to help are pushing me - i should of kept my mouth shut and just looked after myself! Not sure if anyone can help but it was good to put it all down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alis girls Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 What does your job description/contract say re notice? Its usually in that so if say its 4 weeks surely if you want to give what it says then they cant do anything. Have you a union? A word with your rep may help. failing that CAB. I am sorry not much help but only ever worked in NHS and thats a law to itself. I do hope it gets sorted soon. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Looney Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Congratulations! STAND FIRM!!! DO NOT BE PUSHED OR BULLIED!!! Ask your team mates what they would do in the same situation. They don't like be in an uncertain position jobwise so why should you be? Until you have the absolute green light for your new job and you have signed and sealed everything do not feel you have to resign. They don't like the feeling so shouldn't want you to experience it either. If management are bullying you, report them! I'm being serious. You gave them advance warning to help them out. If they persist on bullying you to resign then they are being completely irresponsible. I can understand people wanting to move things on but you are honestly going to have to stand your ground - to the point of being quite blunt if need be. Congratulations again on your new job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfrock Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I can speak from experience on this one as a very select few on this forum know. Last year I was offered a dream job - beating many applicants to the post. The company took my reference just 2 days after the interview. My current company started to get very difficult with me. I too had to have a CRB check and health check - nothing to worry about I thought. 2 months on and the paperwork was still outstanding. My company was restructuring and making redundancies and so, like you, I felt very torn. I was told because I had gone for another job I had basically put myself more at risk, even though prior to that I had been ear marked for a good post. In the end I handed in my notice, on the advice of the new employer, and due to the problems that taking my references so early had created for me at my current job as there was no reason to be worried and "Ooops, word censored!"ody had ever failed the medical assessment ..... until me. They had taken on a new Occ Health company and 3 months after receiving my paper work and without ever speaking to me or meeting with me I was declared unfit. There was no appeal process and I was left with no job and very very scared. My doctor wrote to the company demanding to know what on earth they were thinking as there was nothing wrong with me (they used a carpal tunnel op 6 years prior and a mild whiplash 20 years prior as grounds for me being unfit ). 5 months on and it is about to go through Parliamentary Ombudsman. I did get a new job 7 days afterwards, temping, and have just been taken on permanently in the role I was temping in, in the same profession I started in before being offered the new job. However the whole situation has left me knocked for 6, financially worse off by over 30%pa and emotionally drained and ashamed. I have learnt my lesson and would hate anybody to go through what I have. Current employers should not give you grief because you have applied for a new job and you shouldn't feel pressured to hand in your notice because of them, but please don't do anything before you have the all clear. Let us know what you decide to do. Meanwhile on a brighter note - CONGRATULATIONS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKH Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 thx guys feel poop at the min. I'll update you tomorrrow BIG thx for support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia W Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Do NOT formally resign until you've passed all the checks you need for the new job. Just in case.... If your present job bully you to resign it may be construed as constructive dismissal anyway. Just be firm and polite. Good luck!! Tricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I agree with Patriciaa W. Your present employer can't impose anything re resigning that isn't established in your contract. Blimey Redfrock....sorry to read about your ordeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 The checks can take some time so I wouldn't resign just yet. \it might be worth speaking to ACAS who are absolutely fab http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1565 They can advise on various employment law matters and its well worth the long wait to get through At the end of the day no matter how good they have been to you your employer is seeing a way out of paying redundancy to someone and also will be wanting to retain some experience within the company - fair enough but you hold the cards and can call the shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenJo Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 sorry, wasnt on the firum last night ..... DONT RESIGN YET !!! Once you have put your resignation in writing your employer is under no obligation to accept a retraction should things go a bit pear shaped. Im sure it will all be fine but you need to keep yourself in a strong position legally. If things dont work out and you end up staying then yes things could be a bit difficult, but in the mean time your HR team needs to continue as though you are a current employee, even if that means involving you in the consultation process and holding fire on placing someone into the available jobs. Jo (HR+ Employment Law bod) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenanne Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Don't resign. Until you know for sure, don't do it. Your employers are not entitled to bully you, nor are your workmates entitled to hassle or harass you about it. Bullying in the workplace is rightly taken seriously, and if you are feeling really bad, start keeping a note of incidents. That way should it continue you can get it sorted out and make it clear that you're not moaning you have specific, valid issues that need tackling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutrix Farmers Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Everyone else has said it DON'T RESIGN UNTIL YOU HAVE A DEFINITE OFFER. Congratulations though on your new job!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKH Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 Hi gUYS Quick update Stood firm this morning. Wasn't too bad my so called mates were worse than bosses. I guess they are stressed about redundancies but i was only trying to do the right thing - so now i think 'sTUFF UM' they are on their own Atmosphere is terrible but i've decided not to care anymore and i've booked the day off for tomorrow and i can send it with my girls BIG thx for all the support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Looney Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Good for you True mates would make the effort to understand things from your perspective even if they are worried about their own situation. Enjoy your day off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cordelia Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I'm so relieved you didnt succumb to the pressure...... I'm in an awful situation at the moment, having returned from maternity leave, effectively had my career ruined, and its all in the hands of solicitors Poor redfrock has experienced what can happen...and was very kind to write her experiences for us all... great news about your new job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKH Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 I REALLY appreciate red frock sharing her experience is sounded dreadful and reiterates why i was concerned Cordiela what troubles are you having (only if you want to share) I had a 'clearing of the air' with one colleague, he apologised, i said he had been awful and excepted his apology then...... he asked me for a reference ...its a good job a can't type what i thought This has been an eye opening experience for me - human nature at its worst and best - i guess a bit like chickens really ...one minute best of mates ...the next everyone turning on one girl/person. i think i'll take some bumpa bits to work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia W Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Please, please, as someone at the end of her career, take my advice and repeat three times a day " this is not real life, it is only a job". And remember, this is not a rehearsal.. it's the only life you have. These things will pass- the important thing is to stay true to yourself. Sermon over- going to put the chickens to bed. Best stress buster there is! Tricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
