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[sage]

The police get it in the neck everytime. Over policing going in heavy handed or not going in to stop the trouble. They cannot win.

 

Sage

[Tiggy]

The police get it in the neck everytime. Over policing going in heavy handed or not going in to stop the trouble. They cannot win.

 

Sage

so true, I couldnt do their job

[Lewis]

Assuming the route was planned etc, what I didn't understand is why Millbank House wasn't identified as a potential hot spot by the various authorities?

 

There is (unfortunately) all too often a (very) small minority out there, especially when the subject is a bit volatile, that will jump on the band wagon with the aim of causing trouble. This is not new, and I don't believe it is unique to teenagers either!

 

Either some visible police presense from the start, or boarding up the windows (like they do for the May Day demonstration) might have been sensible. But I guess I say this with the benefit of hindsite!

The route was planned.

 

The whole thing has now changed from why we were all there protesting - £9,000 a year tuition fees, up to 40% budget cuts - to 'blame the students not the police' and all about the anarchist rioters.

They are tripling our fees and halving what we get out of it.

All the Lib Dem MPs signed pledges to say they'd fight doubling tuition fees, yet are now defending tripling them?!

 

Thing is, if I was a vet school fresher (or similar for any course thats 5 years, lawyers, architects... Drs may be different with NHS help?) in 2012, after 5 years I'd come out with £83,000 debt.

 

Hindsight or just planning

Not saying I could do the job of the police either, but to me it was an obvious target for the anarchists and there could at least have been some presence at Millband instead of all standing around Westminster!

[patsylabrador]

So what should we do about all the other adults who have to pay extortionate fees for courses for which there is no financial aid at all.

Whilst I can see the argument to assist students on courses which contribute to the country as an entity eg science, law, medicine, I don't see why optional extra degrees like dance should be subsidised.

My son used all his savings from Afghanistan, sold his car and jump rigs to pay for his instructors course, which cost him about £8000 for six weeks.

At no point did he think he had a right to other people's money to pay for it. My other unemployed son has just paid, or rather we have, £2000 for a course which had only 28 hours instruction so that he can get work. I think student fees should be looked at alongside fees for non degree courses.

Maybe they should cut down the length of time it takes to get a degree

[Old Speckled Hen]

If as a result of the country's dire finances (no matter how caused as that is a separate issue) we cannot afford to finance further education then who pays? The student or the tax payer?

Maybe they should cut down the length of time it takes to get a degree

 

Yes! especially as a huge percentage of them are not worth the ticket.

What is needed is a return to appropriate study - degrees only for the very brightest, and good vocational training for the remainder.

[sadietoo]

. In this case students were trusted to behave in a civilised way, that was a mistake.

 

No the police just got it wrong..that was the mistake .they would have had far more policemen on duty for a premier league football match

 

I will always staunchly support the police in riots because I've been there with people spitting & screaming in my face and you have no idea the amount of restraint that they were showing, especially when a policewoman was dragged into the mob. There are no excuses for that, the police were excellent.

 

It has not always been my experience of the police, and I'm sure the relatives of Ian Tomlinson would have liked them to show a little more restraint at the G20 riots.

 

If as a result of the country's dire finances (no matter how caused as that is a separate issue) we cannot afford to finance further education then who pays? The student or the tax payer?

 

Perhaps the government could collect the billions that Vodafone have avoided in tax instead of letting Dave Harnett step in and write most of it off

 

As you can probably tell...the students have my 100% support...I don't even care about a stormed building or a broken window.(although I would like the idiot that threw the fire extinguisher off the top of the building put behind bars) .I'm just hoping that the NUS do take the Lib Dems to task over their election lies...after all a labour councillor has just been "defrocked" over lying about another candidate in his election campaign..and what's sauce for the goose...etc..

[Christian]

Once again, not aimed at anyone in particular, but could we please keep it civil or this thread will be locked.

 

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