gavclojak Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Hi everyone I wanted some reassurance, I filled my multiple bait boxes yesterday and this morning came into the garden only to fine two of them strewn across the garden opened and the contents gone! In total I think about 6 or 7 of the big cheese all weather wax blocks have been eaten. Gosh I feel so bad, someone please tell me the fox is just going to have a bit of a tummy ache but that's all. I wouldn't want to poison anything other than rats, especially foxes! The boxes have been in the same place for about a year and they have never troubled them...bet they thought they had found treasure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Better not to talk about it anymore, if your neighbor dog or cat ate that, the vet bill will be so expensive and you don't want to pay it. I don't know how much rat poison in it, but if the dose is enough to kill a fox, he is gone. Don't worry about foxes they are brutal themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrocksrock Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Maybe a badger, whatever has eaten it if that much will die as it stops the blood from clotting. cats and dogs unless big dogs should not be able to get into bait boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavclojak Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 This is the thing...they were LOCKED bait boxes hidden behind a filled heavy storage box and the othe was in the same position on the other end. They were literally wedged in, I have a massive fence so it would not be a dog, a cat wouldn't be strong enough and there are no badger holes under my fence! They have been filled and in the same place for over a year 100% a fox and regardless of the foxes nature I would never intentionally harm one I have read the web blog and it does say even small rats need to consume a lot over a period of a week or two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat tails Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Nothing much you could do about it now except making sure you hide/wedge the baitboxes back in well. Rat poison is actually less potent than mice poison. As mice have turned resistant to some poisons and require a higher dose per kg body weight than rats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavclojak Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 Nothing much you could do about it now except making sure you hide/wedge the baitboxes back in well. Rat poison is actually less potent than mice poison. As mice have turned resistant to some poisons and require a higher dose per kg body weight than rats. I honestly don't know how they got them Out, they were wedged in so tight I have to move the box to get them out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat tails Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Nothing much you could do about it now except making sure you hide/wedge the baitboxes back in well. Rat poison is actually less potent than mice poison. As mice have turned resistant to some poisons and require a higher dose per kg body weight than rats. I honestly don't know how they got them Out, they were wedged in so tight I have to move the box to get them out! Then you definitely did your best and shouldn't feel guilty. Might have been a giant monster rat that had a party on your lawn, with its giant monster rat family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavclojak Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 Nothing much you could do about it now except making sure you hide/wedge the baitboxes back in well. Rat poison is actually less potent than mice poison. As mice have turned resistant to some poisons and require a higher dose per kg body weight than rats. I honestly don't know how they got them Out, they were wedged in so tight I have to move the box to get them out! Then you definitely did your best and shouldn't feel guilty. Might have been a giant monster rat that had a party on your lawn, with its giant monster rat family. That's what l choose to believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickabee Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Sadly whatever eat it will die if not treated. It's very strange for a fox to go for it though, I wouldn't have thought it would be to their liking. Unfortunately I can't agree that rat poison isn't as strong as mouse poison. My greedy Labrador has had both. He needed no treatment for the mouse poison, but expensive and intense treatment for the rat poison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavclojak Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 Sadly whatever eat it will die if not treated. It's very strange for a fox to go for it though, I wouldn't have thought it would be to their liking. Unfortunately I can't agree that rat poison isn't as strong as mouse poison. My greedy Labrador has had both. He needed no treatment for the mouse poison, but expensive and intense treatment for the rat poison Oh god....I'm shocked too because, as I say they are always filled and have been in the same place for a year. I have read the packet and it does say it won't kill the rat immediately as they have to consume it over a period of a week of two because it has to build up in there system...it was a total of 6 little blue Square blocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickabee Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Also something to note. I used a similar prduct. The rats actually take away what they can't eat and store it in a secret place for later. I wasn't aware of this and kept using the product where no other dog/cat/fox/chicken, could get at it. I used one called rat pasta it comes in little sachets. My dog eat 2. It would have been enough to kill her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavclojak Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 I did look at the pasta one but the assistant said although the blocks take longer they are waterproof and as they are just outside the run I thought they were safer. I did have them inside the run but a rat/mouse dragged half a block out and I saw it in the run before the hens got up. I didn't want the hens eating it obviously so moved the traps out over a year ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjp Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 with blocks you need to secure them so they have to sit and eat them. personally I prefer loose grain baits as that way they have to eat them in situ as it's not worth the energy to cart them back to their larder. I was advised by a rep from a pest control suppliers when I was gathering information for the allotment when I took over the pest control not to use the pasta bait outdoors as it goes mouldy if it gets damp. He also didn't recommend the blocks at the time because the better one for poison content was any good outdoors and the high wax content one basically didn't work quick enough and the rats could and were getting immune to it over a short time frame if the boxes weren't topped up quick enough have to say through that in the 2 years I did the pest control on that allotment I never had one box interfered with by foxes I used the boxes with two vertical tubes in them in full view.for internal allotment politics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickabee Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Are you sure it's not badgers, they can really climb, and would dig up those boxes with ease. Sorry I know it's no comfort, but would be nice to get to the bottom of the mystery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavclojak Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 SJP...that's why I'm so baffled, the blocked were not just stuck in the bait boxes, there were secured using the pins you thread the blocks on to but I have to disagree that they eat them there and then. I have on several occasions found small bits of the bait blocks just outside the boxes so I assume they have tried to take some back to the nest and have dropped some on the way. Also I appreciate you haven't had any foxes touching your boxes and neither have I...until now! Maybe it wasn't a fox but I cannot imagine what else it could be. I live in a town off a busy main road and am certain it isn't a badger... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickabee Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 I'm thinking badger now. They are more equipped for this sort of thing. You may not of seen them, but they can can cover some distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavclojak Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 No, I have garages to the rear then my runso no access there and I am mid terraced so they would need to climb about 6 fences, each 6 foot high to get to my garden. I honestly dont think for a second it's a badger...I have foxes in my garden every night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickabee Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Well sounds like the wliey old fox then. Must have been very hungry. Watch your girlies, ultra protection needed I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjp Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 SJP...that's why I'm so baffled, the blocked were not just stuck in the bait boxes, there were secured using the pins you thread the blocks on to but I have to disagree that they eat them there and then. I have on several occasions found small bits of the bait blocks just outside the boxes so I assume they have tried to take some back to the nest and have dropped some on the way. sorry I should have been a bit clearer the idea with securing them is that they can't take the whole block in one go if they have to break up the block then from what I was told is they'll eat their fill and then take away some chunks, just the act of biting chunks off the block will result in them ingesting the poison Also I appreciate you haven't had any foxes touching your boxes and neither have I...until now! Maybe it wasn't a fox but I cannot imagine what else it could be. I live in a town off a busy main road and am certain it isn't a badger... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
