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[Cooks]

My son (14) has been under the otrthodontist for a while now (although not had the braces fitted yet) today we went for his visit to be told that he is about ready for his braces (top and bottom fixed) and that due to him having missing teeth (congenital) they will move the others aside and the dentist will make him a bridge to wear and then when he's an adult he will have to pay for implants.

I questioned this, as the dentist who referred us always told me that they would move them about making a nice smile and then the teeth that were not the correct would be moulded and rectified.

(I am probably not explaining this properly)

 

So there Ortho has said yes there are two different options... HIS option, number 1 and the other option, number 2, that I was told about. He argues that my sons bite is ok and the second option MAY mean in the furture he would have to have two teeth removed from the bottom to allow this to be rectified. (he's already had 4 from the top)

 

My argument is that my son is a a very active child and the thought of him with bridges/implants fills me with dread.

 

I have come away saying I will think about it, I have an appointment to see the dentist on Monday (although not the one who referred me as he's back in New Zealand), but I wondere4d if there was anyone on here that had any experience.

 

I am sorry if I am rambling and not making sense.

[Olly]

No experience of orthodontistry, but I'd have thought that it's almost always better to hang on to your own teeth, even if they need capping or something, than have anything else.

 

I had an implant last year, after losing a tooth and it was a very long procedure and extremely expensive - the idea that your son might need more than one is quite shocking, and quite honestly the cost would be prohibitive for most people, I went without a lot of things including a holiday, just to have one.

 

Can you get a second opinion?

[Cooks]

yes I am arranging one on monday as my new dentist has an in house orthodontist there. My Sons current Ortho isn't against the second option, but his preference is the first where my son has a bridge and implants for the rest of his life. Mine and my sons (at the moment) is the second option where his smile is made as best it can be and if he should need two smally teeth removing from the lower set then thats what will happen, although the Orthodontist did agree that the teeth would not be removed unless absolutely necessary.

My son really doesn't want 'false teeth' as he puts it, he's only just coming up for 14 and the thought of him having to ahve inplants etc is making me very worried and sad. And Yes Olly he would need 2 as he didn't have two adult teeth grow through.

[Bantambabe]

Hi cookiemonster. I'm not an orthodontist altho seem to spend quite a bit of time there at the moment as ES has top and bottom wirework (he's 13) and YS is having regular checks to see when he'll need them.

However, my OH has just found out from his dentist that he has congenitally missing teeth - he's got the two middle front (top) ones and then the canines, but none inbetween. He's made it to 52 before this was noticed!! His teeth are a bit higgledy-piggledy but then they didn't have orthos back when he was a teenager, but there aren't any gaps in his teeth.

The dentist asked him if any of the kids are the same and we noticed last night that DD has nothing between her middle incisors and canines (apart from a bit of a gap - she's 8yrs ). He never warned me about his dodgy genes!!!!!

 

 

If your son's bite is ok, why go through the extra agro?

My ES has an adult lower incisor which has come through behind his other teeth (under his tongue). They are trying to create a space for it with the wires at the mo and then the plan is to pull it forward into line - but if they decide they can't and want to pull it out, he's already stated that unless there's some significant medical reason to have it removed (or if the girls refuse to kiss him ) he's keeping it! Kids eh

[Cooks]

sorry I should have explained we are about 2 years into the ortho treament, he's ha 4 teeth out at the top to allow the others to move into plaace, He is missing the two teeth either side of his two front teeth, so the plan was always to move the others around a bit to fill the gaps.

Had they not removed these other teeth my son would have been left with crowding in places he didn't need teeth and no teeth in others.... very hard to explain.

So either way one option has to go forward, at the moment he has incisors next to his front teeth.

my thoughts are move them all into better alignment and then re shape the incisors to look more square??

I guess I will know more on monday when I speak to the dentist.

[tiggerlady]

Hi Cookie! This sounds like a repeat from when my youngest was small(he's 20 now!) We found out when he was 7/8 that he had congenitally missing teeth,one either side at the back on the top and 2side by side(6 in total ) matching either side at the bottom.We were told he would need ortho treatment when he was in his early teens to re-align it all. This we duly started,with fixed wirework,and it went on for about 2 years or so before the orthodontist got fed up with him breaking the wires..he wouldnt stop eating pizza! In the meantime we had to take him to great ormond street to be assessed for the bone density and jaw depth for the proposed implants, and then got told they wouldnt be nhs funded and would cost around £1000 each! Anyways, when he had the wires taken off at the premature end of his treatment, he WAS left with spaces at the bottom although they had successsfully moved the front teeth back to fill the gap at the top In the end he wasnt fussed about the remaining gaps and tbh it doesnt notice at all.He doesnt have any trouble eating so I dont think theres much wrong ! I do think that orthodontists are very precise in their expectations..ie only perfect will do,possibly to the detriment of the child,who probs wont notice or care of their back teeth are slightly skwonky..although I do know that an unbalanced bite can cause problems.Sorry if this sounds a bit as if Im contradicting myself, but hope this helps..

[Alis girls]

I am having orthodontics as an adult now having had it in my teens and the teeth moved back i we didnt have retainers then. Its a minefield. My dentist wants me to have bottom ones done but I dont think I can cope with another year of it. I have invisible ones at present. i would say shop aroung as friends and I have differing opinions and the cost mounts up

[Cooks]

no thank you tigerlady that does make sense. My son is adamant he desn't want a bridge and inplants so that leaves him the second option of straightening out the front teeth and aligning the back teeth which the ortho said will then throw his back bite out which is good at the moment, so hey ho, either way it seems my son cannot win but unless the dentist on monday has a different plan option 2 will be the way my son (who is old enough to know what he wants) wants to go.

I know inplants are not available on the nhs and to be honest if he had wanted to go down that route I would have paid for them, when he was old enough, my son just doesn't want to go down that route, as that is not what he was expecting for the last 2 years, we have always thought we were going with option 2.. which apparantly was the case until his back bite aligned itself and now they dont want to adjust it again.....

 

sorry for waffling... I need a glass of wine......

[Alis girls]

would join you for a glass of plonk but I'll nod off and forget to pick ES up so will leave it till later CHEERS

[Cooks]

it was only a vitual glass so you would have been ok...

[chick wiggle]

Wow, Cookie, sounds like you need a glass (or two!) Sorry no help just hope it gets sorted to your and your sons satisfaction on monday *fingers crossed*

[Cooks]

thanks matey yes I knew it would be a long long road with him and this orthodontic work because of the problems he has there but I just like to protect him I guess and know the choice that is being made is the right one for HIM.

[chick wiggle]

thats all anyone can expect from you, gosh, its hard work this mum business, init?

[Cooks]

tell me about it....this is only one of my sons... dont get me started on the other son... love em!

[chick wiggle]

Wait till they start driving OMG The worry, the sleepless nights, the nail biting, the waiting for THAT knock on the door, take my advice and stop them from getting 17! Why cant they just stick at 16 or even better 5! I,ve stuck at 42 and I'm not budging! I dont care what my birth certificate says ITS WRONG!!!!

[Cooks]

thanks matey I needed that laugh

[chick wiggle]

your welcome

[Looney]

Hey Cookie,

 

Sounds like your son has made up his mind! So long as he is happy and he will be able to live comfortably with what he's got in his mouth then so be it. Implants sound like a mega ordeal You're doing a grand job xx

[Cooks]

thanks Looney x

[Redwing]

My brother knocked out his two fron top teeth when he was younger and has had two implants since then, they are really sturdy and have never caused him any problems if thats any consolation

[Mrs Webmuppet]

Little Miss Webmuppet has an appointment with the orthdontist on Saturday.

 

She has a tooth that is in the wrong place. It is several millimeters from where it should be ( its behind the gap it should be filling) and is causing her quite a bit of discomfort. When she saw the dentist for a check up she nearly begged him sort it out. He managed to chivvy the orthodontist up into seeing her ( he had put her on the waiting list a year ago when the offending tooth started making an appearance). Hopefully they can sort it out one way or another otherwise I think she will have a right tantrum as she has had enough of the tooth.

 

Wish us luck..........

[Cooks]

thanks Tasha, yes I know once my son got to the inplant stage they would be sturdy but his problem is the bridge he will ahave to wear until he's an adult (as they say he cannot have inplants until fully grown) he's not even 14 just yet so thats a fair few years, also the pain of the inplants is another concern as many have said that they hurt for ages afterwards... such a lot to consider.

I have been offered some help via pm so I think I will just have to take some advice and let him know all the facts long term and short term so he knows about all these before embarking on a decision that will affect him forever.

[Olly]

Can I just say (in case anyone reading this is thinking about an implant), that the one I've had has not been painful at all. The whole process was not as bad as root canal work (of which I've had a lot!) but it took about 9 months overall.

 

I am thrilled with mine, because it was a choice between that or a bridge, and I was worried about the bridge coming loose, also it has to be fixed to the adjoining teeth and I didn't want to damage them. If I had to, I'd have another one without hesitation.

 

I would still rather have had my original tooth, though.

 

And I'd rather not have spent the price of a top safari holiday, too!

 

Sounds as if your son has made up his mind, anyway - I hope the second dentist is more positive about his choice.

[Sam Palmer]

My 15 yr old son's at the tail end of treatment at the moment. He had 1 baby tooth left and an xray found there was no adult one behind it, nearly 2 yrs ago. After a trip to the orthodontist, we also found out he had another molar that had come through twisted round by 90 degrees, a slight under bite (husband's side of the family's fault!) and a small gap between his top front teeth, which didn't look much, but apparently his tongue was pushing against this and it would cause jaw problems in later years.

The options were to leave the baby tooth until it fell out and have a titanium bridge put in at 18-19, which would cost around £3,000 and then deal with other stuff. Or remove the tooth now and pull the back two teeth forward to fill the gap, turn the twisted one and re-align the central teeth and jaw, but he said it would alter the shape of his face. This would cost around £1,500, or we could go on the NHS waiting list.

We decided to go for the second option, but via the NHS and it only took about 4 months wait before the work started.

After 18 months of fixed braces top and bottom, he had them removed in May and is now wearing the clear, invisible retainers for the next 6-9 months so the teeth settle and stay in place.

His face has changed, but then he's also grown up a lot in this time too, so I think it's a combination of the two. He now has the most wonderful white, straight 'film star' teeth. I'm most envious! The othodontist gave him a certificate with before and after photos of his teeth on it and the difference is amazing.

It was hard work and often uncomfortable for him, but it was well worth it and the fact we were able to get it on the NHS was even better.

It's hard to comprehend that they can move teeth through the jaw/gums across such distances and in such a short space of time, but the results are amazing.

I can only go on our experience, but this route has worked really well for my son.

Hope this helps!

[Guest]

Hi CM

my son had braces and had unfortunately had 4 perfectly good teeth removed(which with my mouldy teeth was what a waste as he is sporty and I had visions of him getting them smacked out anyway)...

 

So as he was at teenage vulnerable hormone age I sort of let him decide if he wanted this done (he did have really crooked front teeth...) but he wanted it done...I was reluctant, it seemed a sin to take out healthy teeth.

 

The braces do make them feel realy run down for about 5 days ..get really sore but it settles and we spent about 2 years back and forth now has perfect nashers and they do look nice.

 

BUT about 2 years ago I asked another dentist who was nhs turned private about implants (due to my mouldy teeth) and they told me they were still not 100% successful(another relative of mine lives in london and pays a lot for keeping her teeth and I know she was told the same) dont want to scaremonger but nowadays due to improved dental health and education my understanding(may be incorrect here) is that cosmetic dentistry is more the business now??

 

We are lucky in Herts as we had two childrens dentists who they keep moving around and they are excellent, i was lucky to get in with them via the NHS so never paid a penny.

 

So I think I would ask for a second opinion(i think there is a big dentist department at the Royal London Hospital Whitechapel(I know there is) why dont you ring them you could ask for advice ...?? get a second opinion ..good luck indie