Redwing Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Jools mentioned this recently but it was within another thread and may have been mssed by some Net Tex Total Mite Kill is being withdrawn from sale to home users for now the upshot is: One or two ingredients in it are not licenced for the pet market (its not harmful) Whoever has stock can sell it until they have run out It will go back on the shelves in a few months with new labelling marked for professional use only (I dont know if that means you have to meet certain criteria to buy it) It will no longer be sold in smaller stockist who do not supply to professionals for now Net Tex may be seeking to get approval for the pet market but that will take some time I have noticed that many of the stores I have visited recently are sold out, I have found it locally and have stocked up though as its brilliant stuff I would stress that it is not harmful stuff, its just red tape over what it is and is not licenced for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chick wiggle Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Please forgive my ignorance Redwing, i have thought about getting some of this as i do like to be prepared just in case, but what does it do that diatom, poultry shield and red mite powder dont ? (although i know the red mite powder is just a preventative) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 I am not 100% CW although I do know that its good! I think its one of the active ingredients Permethrin (sp??) that does the business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chick wiggle Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Ok Redwing, thats good enough for me, *off to find some* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Please forgive my ignorance Redwing, i have thought about getting some of this as i do like to be prepared just in case, but what does it do that diatom, poultry shield and red mite powder dont ? (although i know the red mite powder is just a preventative) At risk of constantly repeating myself Barrier Red Mite powder isn't just a preventative and nor are Diatom and Poultry Shield. If you prefer an organic approach to your chicken keeping, then they're the products to use. However, a lot of people who have had a pest problem swear by products like Total Mite Kill. The choice, as they say, is all your's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkor Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Permethrin is toxic to cats - maybe that is way it has been withdrawn from sale for now as I don`t recall it stating that on the label. I am pretty sure that my feed place a load on the shelf when I went in yesterday...will be interesting to see how many are left on monday when I go back for the grit that i forgot to buy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Are we talking powder or spray here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 i can't see anything special in it that is any different to that in other products, so can't see why everyone is raving about stuff that has been available for ages just under it's description Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 Are we talking powder or spray here? Sorry - its the spray - the powder is fine its just DE Sandy - I dont know of any other spray with the same ingredients thats for use on coops it would be great if you know of another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 You're right Tasha, the active ingredient is permethrin, which makes it lethal to lice and mites - one product which will totally eradivcate them. I've been away, so don't have any recent gossip on this one, but will check up for you. I suspect that they may have taken it off to relabel with warnings regarding the use near cats and on poultry; although it isn't licensed for use on poultry, lots of people have found it brilliant for getting rid of mites and lice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I am not convinced about al it claims either. DE killing bactreria etc? Permithrien killing depluming mite? I cannot find where I originally fpund list of actives. but have emailed them. \will post when have heard or found. Strikeback Natural flea killing spray active ingredient permethrin aero;sol, not nasy propellant either. Used for good knock down rate on my XXXXXXX excessive fly problem this summer As recommended by EHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I've been away, so don't have any recent gossip on this one, but will check up for you. I suspect that they may have taken it off to relabel with warnings regarding the use near cats and on poultry; No it's not gossip, I got the information from the horse's mouth, Net-tex themselves. I tend to keep it shut unless I've got reliable facts From my communication with Net-tex, there is some European legislation saying that some active ingredients which have been registered for use by professional poultry keepers have not been registered for use by amateurs. Net-tex have withdrawn product advertising in magazines and have agreed not to sell any more product into pet or amateur outlets. The HSE has allowed products already in the supply chain to be used up and Net-tex will apply for amateur use registration. HTH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Sorry Jools, Perhaps I wasn't clear; I wasn't implying that 'gossip' meant that it's not true, just that I have been away and haven't spoken to anyone in the business yet to get the low-down. An ambiguous turn of phrase perhaps. I hope to catch up on it all at the weekend and will report back if I get a moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saronne Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Are you talking about that bright pink pump spray stuff? I thought that was for cleaning out the hens house - not for direct use on the hens...how can it be compared with diatom (which can be used directly on birds?) Saronne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Sorry Jools, Perhaps I wasn't clear; I wasn't implying that 'gossip' meant that it's not true, just that I have been away and haven't spoken to anyone in the business yet to get the low-down. An ambiguous turn of phrase perhaps. I hope to catch up on it all at the weekend and will report back if I get a moment No problem. Just thought I might save you a job, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 Are you talking about that bright pink pump spray stuff? I thought that was for cleaning out the hens house - not for direct use on the hens...how can it be compared with diatom (which can be used directly on birds?) Saronne Its not for cleaning out the house, its for killing mites and for use as a preventative, DE does a simlar job Unlike DE its not sold for use on the birds although it could be argued that some sprays out there have similar ingredients and are intended to be used on birds (usally cahe birds rather than chickens though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 all confusing Not helped by having 3 products with similar names. One being DE. the other 2 as follows. It claims to kill depluming mite? yet these live under the skin not on the housing Is a dual-working product that is a fast working insecticide with rapid knockdown, and a multi-purpose cleaner that: · Kills mites, fleas, lice and other flying and crawling insects. · Cleans & Disinfects · Kills bacteria, virus, yeast, fungi and algae (i.e E.coli, Salmonella, Listeria and Ps Aeruginosa) · Penetrates deep into deep cracks, crevices and corners which parasites commonly use as harbourages · Contains excellent residuality on all common surfaces Mite Killer Spray is an easy to use aerosol insecticide with rapid knockdown specifically formulated to kill common mites (red, delumping and northern mites) but once applied to outbuildings, poultry houses, arks, coops etc all migrating mites will also be accounted for. It's powerful insecticide action coupled with a long-lasting residual action penetrates deep into crevices where mites like to hide and will remain active for up to 3 months. Can be used against fleas and other flying and crawling insects on hard, porous and non-porous surfaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I think thats the one this is about - maybe when they're re-labelling it they should rename it so its less confusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 The VMD (Veterinary Medicines Directorate) who oversee any UK medicines are vey strict re labelling and claims made on any 'medicines'. I know that they were looking into the labelling and claims made on various of this companies products. They may have been asked to re word and label any products that do not comply. - this is only a guess though so don't quote me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Net-tex Total Mite Kill isn't a Veterinary Medicinal product and is therefore not covered by the VMD so that isn't the issue. This is the post I made yesterday. I had heard that Total Mite Kill was being withdrawn, so I contacted Net-tex to ask why. It's from the horse's mouth, it isn't rumour or hearsay From my communication with Net-tex, there is some European legislation saying that some active ingredients which have been registered for use by professional poultry keepers have not been registered for use by amateurs. Net-tex have withdrawn product advertising in magazines and have agreed not to sell any more product into pet or amateur outlets. The HSE has allowed products already in the supply chain to be used up and Net-tex will apply for amateur use registration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Net-tex Total Mite Kill isn't a Vetinary Medicinal product and is therefore not covered by the VMD so that isn't the issue. The VMD investigate anything that make a 'medicinal' claim. A medicinal claim can include using simple words such as 'treat, dose, kill, prevent, eradicate' and so on on packaging or promotional material without medical proof and a therefore a license as a veterinary medicine. Sorry had not read your post fully - just back from hols and catching up with the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 No problem Chucky, I just wish I hadn't mentioned it in the first place - it seems to have started all sorts of conspiracy theories!! But to quote the VMD when I asked them "Net-Ex Total Mite Kill is not a veterinary medicinal product, therefore of no interest to the VMD" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 I am glad you did mention it Jools This thread was intended to say if you use it buy up stocks if you see it, I didnt mean to start a debate on whether is good, bad, has an equivilent etc.. I just wanted to say make sure you have some spare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyhas3chucks Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 oh. no it IS good you posted. Good to hear ALL views and we can be armed with necessary knowledge. THE strike back Natural Flea killing spray I mentioned has the probably needed wording on it as it states for Profesional use, though as it is /was sold in pets at home clearly does not mean we cannot use it although........ they did not seem to be stocking for ages and I got all someone elses stock on the internet. soooo might even be the same as nex tex and sorry, I just wanted peoplre to know they had same stuff already available. DE Permethrian etc and no panic need just cos not in shops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Total Mite Kill comes in two forms, the spray shown earlier and a concentrate, which can be made up for drenching housing or spraying it. Both contain Permethrin. I was told a while ago that Net-Tex were 'redesigning' the labelling, but haven't seen anything further. My friend who stocks it locally can still get hold of stock and the company aren't aware of any problems, or the product being withdrawn from sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
