ChrisEllis Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Hi, Can anyone recomend a book about breeding and broodies - and also is breeding different with different breeds of chickens if so the best one for polands / frizzles Thanks Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 You can't go wrong with any of Katie Thear's books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisEllis Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 any specific one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 This one is very good Chris: http://www.ascott.biz/acatalog/Incubation-a-Guide-Thear-BV38.html It might be a good idea to contact the Poland Club, listed on here: http://www.poultryclub.org/breed_clubs.htm joining is usually very cheap and they may be able to provide you with some useful info Bear in mind that when breeding Polands and/or Silkies they are reasonably hard to sex so if you plan to breed on more than a small scale you will need a suitable number of houses to hold the ones awaiting sexing or risk your reputation by selling too early! I currently have three different ages of Silkies awaiting sexing so thats three houses just for them! Bear in mind that your chooks are young, they are unlikely to be laying until summer and pullets eggs are quite small to hatch from so this is a long term project. If you cant wait then its worth buying in a trio to get you started then use your youngsters as fresh blood later down the line Any book by David Scrivener is very informative too so its worth reading up on your breeds and doing some research over the dark winter months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisEllis Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 I wouldnt breed silkies i dont think - i will probbly give any boys away or seperate them while i breed my polands - i ouldnt want to breed my silkies as they aren't very in demand and plus they dont seem pure i think they got bits and peices of different breeds in them, and i dont know where to find any POL polands ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Most colors of Silkies will sell well, black ones are less desirable for some reason but you are right if yours are not pure that breeding from them isnt a good idea! The Poland Club will be able to help you with breeders if you dont want to wait to breed from yours You no doubt will know about the Chocolate Orpington craze thats going on well next year you wll start to see dun and chocolate Polands coming to the market in the UK which wll be interesting Polands certainly need more of a following, they do have certain housing and husbandry requirements though so do try to find a specialised book on them f you can - agan the Club can probably help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkor Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I think i am right in saying that you shouldn`t use pol chooks to breed from but you should wait until their second season of laying. I believe this is because the first year eggs tend to be small and not the right shape which can mean the chicks do not form/thrive as they should. Please someone correct me if that is wrong. PS - I have no idea why black silkies are less desirable....that is exactly what I wanted but could I find any....nope I agree with Tasha about the choc thing....I can see the silkies reaching some silly prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I think you recognize an egg from an older bird by the shape of the egg but 1st season girls are more likely to produce boys from what I have read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisEllis Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 Most colors of Silkies will sell well, black ones are less desirable for some reason but you are right if yours are not pure that breeding from them isnt a good idea! The Poland Club will be able to help you with breeders if you dont want to wait to breed from yours You no doubt will know about the Chocolate Orpington craze thats going on well next year you wll start to see dun and chocolate Polands coming to the market in the UK which wll be interesting Polands certainly need more of a following, they do have certain housing and husbandry requirements though so do try to find a specialised book on them f you can - agan the Club can probably help The minute u said chcolate orpingtons my ears pricked i found it fascinating but how all of a sudden has this breed been found and why will ther ebe chcolate polands and what colour is dun? do you know for certain there will be some next year? Very interesting - ad the poland club isonle a call up and join there isnt a website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom123 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 David Scrivener and Katie Thear both have some fantastic books, worth a read. Dun and choc Polands would probably look like these... Remember, as Tasha said, Polands are very difficult to sex until they are around POL so you will need quite a few coops and they don't like wet weather as it can give them colds due to their thin skulls so dry runs are absolute MUST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisEllis Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 ok, they look excellent, and are they thought of as rare? Also i have plenty of room and wuld be happy to keep chicks until their POL anyway as we have a huge run over 100 sqm2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 My Poland boys have just started crowing at 12 weeks. Before then it was impossible to tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Here you go Duns are a sandy brown colour yes they are very rare They will almost certainly be available next year, a few people are workng on these apparently http://www.aviculture-europe.nl/nummers/09E05A12.pdf The page doesnt always display with a scroll bar so use your down arrow key to read down the pages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisEllis Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 very interesting thanks for the reply, looks like i might have a look at getting some next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom123 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 be prepared to pay A LOT for them and I mean £100's Polish chicks should be kept in until they are about 6-7 weeks old unless its really nice outside so make sure that you have the inside space to. Does you run have a cover on it? If not I would consider having a smaller covered run inside the large one which they stay in when it is wet as you have silkies and polands which both shouldn't really be getting wet for their health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisEllis Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 At the moment i dont have a sheltered part but am currently in the process of designing and constructing a feeding station and covered area for them, and i would have the silkies hatch any eggs i ever got and then they would keep them warm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Someone just paid £1040 for a pair of Choc Orps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chook n Boo Mum Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Someone just paid £1040 for a pair of Choc Orps More money than sense Sha x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickvic Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 That is a lot of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 and the question is do you get chocolate chicks from chocolate hens or is there a formula? I can see all your eyes lighting up £££££££ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 and the question is do you get chocolate chicks from chocolate hens or is there a formula? I can see all your eyes lighting up £££££££ Depends what the dad is Plum Many choc orp chicks come from black orp mums as the choc hens are so pricey, you can also get black orp dads that have the choc gene so a proportion of resultant chicks will be choc so in theory neither parent has to be choc but the dad needs to carry the gene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Right so the idea is to get some cheaper blacks from the same breeder and keep your fingers crossed and breed your own. You better get a few Chris in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom123 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 At the moment i dont have a sheltered part but am currently in the process of designing and constructing a feeding station and covered area for them, and i would have the silkies hatch any eggs i ever got and then they would keep them warm. OK great but if you silkies and polish are out at the moment in this heavy rain (at 8-9 weeks old?) then they need a covered area, is there anywhere you could put them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Right so the idea is to get some cheaper blacks from the same breeder and keep your fingers crossed and breed your own. You better get a few Chris in case. Sadly the split black cockerels are pricey too Plum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisEllis Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 Well im literally building thir shelter tomorrow, plus when it rains they go in the coop anyway. And as for the chocolate orpingtons - i think you need a PHD in Chicken! its unbelievalbe what chicne makes what and genes - i mean i find it hard enough getting my head around how my chamois polands that are supposedly laced got laced in the first place and how they are different to regular chamois - i have to pull out their black feathers in order for them to stop growing thrugh black - i was told to by the breeder i bught the eggs off of - hers are beatiful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
