Blue-DiamondChick07 Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 After a bit of researching on the net to see the extent of cruelty to Chickens and battery farming etc, I was appalled to see how cruel and barbaric KFC and McDonalds are! I won't ever be eating at those places again! I do have video links, but these are hard to watch, so won't be pasting them here. Why won't these places do something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dippy bird Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 I saw that about KFC but I thought that they had stopped using that particular place to get their meat from?I defo won't buy anything from there ever again either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Poulty is probably the most abused meat source known and its also worth remembering that many fast food places which sell chicken products source them from places which involve 'halal' (slaughter without stunning). Im realistic about meat and where it comes from and im not delibretly trying to inflame a religious riot,but i truly believe that to slit any animals throat without being stunned first is absolutely discraceful.Even dispatching a bird by hand is in my opinion more human because death is instantanious-allowing it to bleed to death is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffodill Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 I thought that keeping my own chickens for eggs and buying free range chickens was cruelty free. Until I realised what happens before the chicks reach the lovely farms that all the up market, supermarkets are keen to show on their web sites. I never considered that the meat is from females only and millions of male chicks are destroyed in the process and in a horrible way. Looks like being a veggi is the only option + eggs from my happy girls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 ..... Why won't these places do something? because profits come first... people have to lobby these companies and tell them that they want them to improve standards etc. McDonalds do use FR eggs, organic milk and their chickens are barn reared with more space than the industry standard and an enriched environment but that's the UK arm of the company. Most of these cruelty cases seem to be reported from America... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Most of these cruelty cases seem to be reported from America... I agree. The UK is getting much better in the production of poultry these days. Restrictions are getting tighter on farms, with regular inspections/audits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 I..... I never considered that the meat is from females only and millions of male chicks are destroyed in the process and in a horrible way. Looks like being a veggi is the only option + eggs from my happy girls. male chicks are raised for meat the same as female ones. It's just the egg laying industry that doesn't want males, for obvious reasons. Same thing happens in dairy farming. Male calves are useless to dairy farmers unless they're sold on for veal. Rose/rosey veal is a good thing to buy if you're a meat eater as it's high welfare (google it) and if we support the UK veal industry it's less calves that are shipped abroad to be put in crates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Most of these cruelty cases seem to be reported from America... I agree. The UK is getting much better in the production of poultry these days. Restrictions are getting tighter on farms, with regular inspections/audits. and you should know better than the rest of us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Poulty is probably the most abused meat source known and its also worth remembering that many fast food places which sell chicken products source them from places which involve 'halal' (slaughter without stunning). Im realistic about meat and where it comes from and im not delibretly trying to inflame a religious riot,but i truly believe that to slit any animals throat without being stunned first is absolutely discraceful.Even dispatching a bird by hand is in my opinion more human because death is instantanious-allowing it to bleed to death is not. I had a debate with some muslims about Halal, if you have facebook see this link, it makes very interesting reading and maybe you'll change your mind or at least be more informed... http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/topic.php?uid=385424445082&topic=12543 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 I had a debate with some muslims about Halal, if you have facebook see this link, it makes very interesting reading and maybe you'll change your mind or at least be more informed... http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/topic.php?uid=385424445082&topic=12543 I am fully aware of how and why animals are slaughtered during halal Poet-im not that naive.If its so humane-why dont the entire UK adopt it in their slaughterhouses? Surely it would be much cheaper to set up with no expensive electric stunning devices and only a knife needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 i just thought you might be interested in an informative debate I thought I was well informed but I learnt a few things. I always think it's important to be open minded about these issues. To answer your question, one man can operate the machinery to kill hundreds/thousands of chickens; one man with a knife, well...you'd need more than one man! So it's probably cost related amongst many other things. I'm not saying either method is better (you'll see that from my comments in the debate) but I don't think it's as heinous as a lot of people make out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 A lot of large scale producers now gas the poultry, which is much better IMO. Less stress for the birds (no man-handling/hanging up in the factory enviroment) and the chickens are transported in modules (baskets) from the farm and are not handled from then. No way is easy, and me being a vegetarian I don't like the thought of it . But people do eat meat at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seagazer Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Hmm very interesting facebook thread Poet, shame it got so heated in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rarara Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 i just thought you might be interested in an informative debate I thought I was well informed but I learnt a few things. I always think it's important to be open minded about these issues. To answer your question, one man can operate the machinery to kill hundreds/thousands of chickens; one man with a knife, well...you'd need more than one man! So it's probably cost related amongst many other things. I'm not saying either method is better (you'll see that from my comments in the debate) but I don't think it's as heinous as a lot of people make out. isn't Kosher meat killed in the same way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madchook Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Hmm. Won't comment on the dispatching issue. But I will agree with Poet whole-heartedly about dairy. If you feel moral (not aiming this at anyone here) about not eating meat then you had better give up all milk and milk products too - or do some research into beef suckler production and make a decision. Day old calves are removed from the cows to enable milk production for human consumption. Organic means nowt. These calves, are either half beef breeds which are the 'suckler' herds and are raised to slaughter weight, or they are the male offspring of the dairy breeds - these 'bobby' calves have little to no ecomomic value to the farmer and get shipped off for pet food very swiftly. It just makes me laugh when vegetarians buy 'veggie' cheese made without rennet, but yet the milk comes from the mother of a prematurely removed,slaughtered calf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
