Luvachicken Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 On the list of jobs I look on there are some that are listed as external. If I apply for a job that doesn't say it is external what chance do I have ? Most of the jobs are for teaching assistants or learning support assistants. But why advertise the post if they have already decided someone within the school will get it ? It is a waste of my time and others filling out the application form if the position has already been decided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkysmum Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Hi luvachicken, I think we have similar jobs In externally advertised posts I would imagine you have an equal chance of being appointed as anyone else. It is likely they are advertising posts externally to bring in fresh ideas etc. Good luck, go for it How is Daisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ain't Nobody Here Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I'm another one with a similar job! Is it not legislation that dictates how a job is advertised? (I may be totally wrong!) I know some of our posts were filled through redeployment so weren't available externally but for those advertised as external, I agree with Alli that you'd have an equal chance (although it's hard to prove that they aren't just ticking a box and planning to give it to the internal candidate all along ). Where are you seeing these jobs? Not sure why an internal job would be advertised to the general public . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickencam Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 This is always a difficult area. My son's school has just appointed a new head, they had external applicants and one internal one who was favourite for the job. The boys were told not to acknowledge him in any way when all of the applicants were being shown around, so that the external candidates didn't know who he was. However we got the feeling that unless a perfect alternative came along he was always going to get the post. The boys had also threatened mutiny if he didn't. I am not sure about his appointment, because he has always had a fairly informal way with the pupils and he may find it hard to exert his authority, but having said that hopefully they will also have a respect for him that has built up over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvachicken Posted July 10, 2013 Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 How is Daisy She is ok at the moment Thank you for asking I think the smell was from some food she got stuck in her teeth, which obviously over a couple of days began to whiff. She doesn't smell now thank goodness. Where are you seeing these jobs? Not sure why an internal job would be advertised to the general public . The jobs are on the Hantsweb website - listing jobs for pre-schools, teachers, LSA's etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvachicken Posted July 10, 2013 Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 And why can't the people you apply to bother to send an email saying you haven't been successful when you have gone to a lot of effort filling out their application form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurmurf Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 My employer is very careful about which posts get advertised externally and/or internally. Internal adverts are used when there are staff at risk of redundancy and we are keen to redeploy them or when a job is going part time, for example, and the spare hours might be interesting to existing staff to boost their contracts. It is never done cynically. Even if we have strong internal candidates, when we advertise externally, then they must excel to get the job over any external candidates. I'm delighted when an internal applicant gets a promotion because it means we've offered the right kind of support and training to "grow our own" and it then means there's a vacancy to backfill so still opportunities for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyhole kate Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I am pretty sure vacancies have to be advertised both internally and externally at the same time as to comply with equal oppertunities legislation. However I agree it is a waste of candidates time applying for a vacancies that are already earmarked for an internal candidates as well as those at risk of redundancy but employers have no choice unless they want to risk legal action I took a previous employer to a ET and won my case based on them not advertising a post that I should have been made aware of as I was on the redeployment register. It is one of those damned if you do or don't scenarios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurmurf Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 There's no requirement to advertise posts at all, much less externally. An employer can recruit however they want. An employer is only required to show they haven't discriminated on a "protected characteristic" if challenged: one way they defend themselves is by showing they've recruited fairly and, in that case, by advertising widely. They'd be more open to criticism for not looking after staff who are 'at risk' of redundancy as it sounds in your case, keyhole Kate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
