Martin B Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 The thing is people watch it, then tell me all about it, then all about welfare conditions and you don't want to tell them that for the last 10 minutes every word they have said you already knew! It's good that people are enthusiastic. I know a couple of converts already! Someone at school who went to buy a Chicken and Bacon sandwich at tesco but put it back when they realised what they were doing. Jamie Oliver are you listening? On a monday, wednesday and friday our school serves chicken kebab for lunch and the same person went to buy it but decided against it and went for the veggie option instead. After all that hard work of convincing him it is about bloomin' time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitchHazel Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Unless the supermarkets do something about it, the consumers will soon forget and go back to their old shopping habits. Not so long ago there was that programme about teh dreadfully unhygienic practices in Tesco, Sainsburys etc. The one where the two peopl ewent undercover at the butchery, deli and fish counters at the two supermarkets. They uncovered some appalling practices - food that should have been s"Ooops, word censored!"ped being repackaged or relabelled; cooked mince hgetting in with raw mince; poor hand hygiene... it was awful. Big outcry, lots of consumers vowing never to buy from those counters again. A few months later, "back to normal", and everyone has forgotten all about it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janty Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 One of our year 8s asked the dinner lady at school today if the sweet and sour chicken had cruel chicken in it or happy chickens. She couldn't resist telling me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I know of a few kids who have asked the dinner ladies. Another of my year 11's said her Dad was nearly in tears and has vowed never to go to Kentucky fried again. Hope that means he will also make good food choices in Tescos! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I've added this into the thread. Hubby is a little upset with the programme makers, the company he catches chicken for was the only producer that was willing to help/be filmed in both hugh's and Jamies documentaries. As of yet, in hugh's programmes it has been failed to be mentioned or any footage shown. Clever editing maybe? And its no wonder farmers etc dont want to be filmed. heres a link to show you - http://www.lloydmaunder.co.uk/article.asp?id=52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitchHazel Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 That's really interesting Chelsea. I hope they are on tonight's programme. Are you a member of the River Cottage forum? Would be interesting to post it there. I'm not a member, otherwise I'd post myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Im not a member, and neither is hubby. Its like what I said the other day - in the media they only show and state what they want to Even the chap on the link (one of the company directors - that i know personally) says he doubts the footage will get past the editing suite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Im not a member, and neither is hubby. Its like what I said the other day - in the media they only show and state what they want to Yep which is why I think Hayley will have a change of heart at the end of todays programme. I suspect she was told to take a tough stance once they realised she was a fiesty woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 After getting our hens in the summer I felt I needed to start asking about chicken in restaurants. We rarely ate prepared meals but I realised I hadn't thought about the source of the chicken much (so no more ready meals even when I'm really busy But the horrifying thought I had today was cat food ! I think we can guarantee that whilst I'm sure the amounts of real meat in the food is low they are definitely not happy chickens. I've taken a look on-line and came across Burns http://www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk/ - does anyone know if this is the only option ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 i think hugh is mis-representing free range farming, from dialogue i've had on other forums and from what i've read, they don't have a great deal more space than intensive chooks. This is NOT what hugh is portraying. It's making me question the whole free range system now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Hi Patricia! there is a thread on here somewhere about Cat food. 2 secs! here it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 from what i've read, they don't have a great deal more space than intensive chooks. They do Poet, hubby assures me that they have to follow strict guidelines. He said some of the free range houses at the moment he's been to are only half full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 ooooh its on BBC news!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomaxsmith Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I'll tell you something really sad. I don't know anybody else who's watching the program, it's all too easy to put your head in the sand. I fear he's preaching to the converted Sad My 70 year old mum (her of the battery eggs) rang me yesterday to ask if I'd be watching and then today she said that she was feeling a bit bad and couldn't face eating the cheap chicken she'd bought for today's tea. So, the message is reaching some unlikely people. I think, for others, they think that it'll cost them too much and close their minds to it. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 ooooh its on BBC news!!!! thanks bron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 from what i've read, they don't have a great deal more space than intensive chooks. They do Poet, hubby assures me that they have to follow strict guidelines. He said some of the free range houses at the moment he's been to are only half full. chelsea, what do you think about this guys comments about free range farming? He's an intensive poultry farmer. http://www.jamieoliver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=28544 perhaps you could log on there and challenge him? It's no wonder people are confused, I am! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) From what i've read, they don't have a great deal more space than intensive chooks. Of course they have more room. The intensive chickens are raised from day old to 39 weeks in a barn, clambering all over each other, sickeningly. Free range chickens get to 'free range' outside all day long. IMHO. Edited January 9, 2008 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Yep they get a few acres of pasture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I hadn't noticed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 they don't have a great deal more space than intensive chooks. Of course they have more room. The intensive chickens are raised from day old to 39 weeks in a barn, clambering all over each other, sickeningly. Free range chickens get to 'free range' outside all day long. IMHO. christian, with all due respect, i've been reading industry guidelines til i'm blue in the face and talked to people on other forums and read things on the net and i am getting a lot of conflciting info. I'm not sure what to believe either way! what research have you done to back up your honest opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 He's an intensive poultry farmer. http://www.jamieoliver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=28544 Having just read the article, he is wrong with his numbers. I believe that Hugh ordered 4,500 chicks. 3,000 for the intensive and 1, 500 for the free range. I'm pretty sure he did remove dead chicks from the free range side too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 by the way christian, you missed half of my quote off which looks like I'm stating a fact, which I wasn't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 from what i've read, they don't have a great deal more space than intensive chooks. They do Poet, hubby assures me that they have to follow strict guidelines. He said some of the free range houses at the moment he's been to are only half full. chelsea, what do you think about this guys comments about free range farming? He's an intensive poultry farmer. http://www.jamieoliver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=28544 perhaps you could log on there and challenge him? It's no wonder people are confused, I am! Interesting reading, just read it out to hubby. Hubby does have to agree with the chap on RC about the state of hugh's broiler house for the experiment....he doesnt even have any ceiling fans . In hubbys companys houses they have big overhead fans for ventilation. Chap is right about runts/deformities in the free range side - my Ella is a free range runt chicken (hubby brought Sam & Ella home ) as they were due to be culled at the farm as they were too small. Did you see the link I put to hubby's company further up the thread Poet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 chelsea, it was more about the stocking density he quoted which your hubby has refuted? it's this issue of space that i am getting totally conflicting info about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 chelsea, it was more about the stocking density he quoted which your hubby has refuted? it's this issue of space that i am getting totally conflicting info about. He's gone to bed now poet im afraid (he's got to work tonight!) so I cant ask him anymore. here's some more pictures which shows you the inside of the different poultry sheds. http://www.lloydmaunder.co.uk/agriculture.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
