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[magamamma]

Im writing because im so upset. I've been in tears reading about his story!

I have a little boy who is nearly 2 (same age as baby p) and i just can in my head make any sense of it.

I understand that we are animals but as a human we show such a huge range of emotion and understanding and sometimes intelligence that sits us apart from the animal kingdom!

I cant see how anyone could continually abuse a helpless baby and not feel one minute bit of guilt or even anything towards the action.

How can we as a race be so beastly.

Im so confused. Im Extremely distraught about this.

I just cant see the good anymore.

Im so sick of the world crying in pain and people just sitting back moaning about the credit crunch. People should live within their means and stop being so selfish. So what if i cant go to the cinema every week now. there's many people without a home, or family or even knowing where their next meal is coming from!

I hope that something good comes from baby p. I hope that it changes people and that social services sit up and evaluate themselves. Im a childminder or should i say registered. I couldnt do it because of the amount of paper work and the fact that it was a chore and not a pleasure. The rules and laws are constricting!

I want the world to grow up and start seeing earth as a community.

It will never happen i know but we can all wish for something right?

maggie p

[Egluntyne]

It is a real tragedy.

 

Looks as if no lessons were learned from the Vicoria Climbie case after all.

[MadMitch]

I found this very distressing also. My sister is a short term fosterer (although she often ends up adopting them) and some of the children that go to her are in a right state. She had one boy whom she adopted whos mother put a red hot poker actually through both his feet. He kept saying a monster had come in the night and done it. I can't get my head around how anyone can do these things to someone who is so helpless.

[The Dogmother]

I couldn't bring myself to read the article in the paper this morning

 

I will have a look at it later. That someone could treat a child like that is beyond comprehension.

 

A friend does emergency fostering for small babies and toddlers, in just such situations and it really upsets her to hear about the case circumstances.

[buffie]

I'm lost for words, horrific and I can't say what I feel on the forum

 

Buffie x

[Cooks]

I'm lost for words, horrific and I can't say what I feel on the forum

 

Buffie x

I echo that..

[poachedegg]

It is a real tragedy.

 

Looks as if no lessons were learned from the Vicoria Climbie case after all.

 

If I recall correctly, the Victoria Climbie case highlighted how the other agencies didn't communicate with each other and steps were put in place to ensure they do.

 

In this tragic and horrible case, from what I have read, the agencies did communicate, but STILL this happened - how so many 'professionals' could have been involved in this little boys sad and lonely life and it have this outcome is quite astonishing.

Edited November 12, 2008 by Guest

[Guest]

I have to say I can TOTALLY understand how they didn't manage to do anything.

 

We were reported to Social Services by our GP when James was little and after scaring the bejesus out of us when a social worker arrived out of the blue with a POLICE officer I embarked on an amazing journey of mistakes, excuses and unprofessionalism.

 

My complaints were NEVER resolved.

 

Every time I tried to voice my concerns over how this was being handled I was told "we don't want another Climbe"

 

The end of this tale was when I took an afternoon off for a socail worker to come (I'd NEVER seen one myself as the initial visit happend when I was at work) and he didn't turn up. I calle dthe office and was told "he got called out on an emergency" I've never heard a word from them since.

[Tessa the Duchess]

It is a real tragedy.

 

Looks as if no lessons were learned from the Vicoria Climbie case after all.

 

Both the Victoria Climbie case and this one occured in the Borough that I live in

I heard on the news last night that 50 people from various agencies visited the home but the mother managed to hide the babys' injuries and also hid the fact that she was living with her loathesome b.friend. I also can't understand how anyone could do this to a helpless child, as a woman who was unable to have her own children it really upsets me, if she didn't want the child, just give him up for adoption, there will be plenty of takers to give him a warm loving home.

 

Tessa

[Egluntyne]

It is a real tragedy.

 

Looks as if no lessons were learned from the Vicoria Climbie case after all.

 

If I recall correctly, the Victoria Climbie case highlighted how the other agencies didn't communicated with each other and steps were put in place to ensure they do.

 

In this tragic and horrible case, from what I have read, the agencies did communicate, but STILL this happened - how so many 'professionals' could have been involved in this little boys sad and lonely life and it have this outcome is quite astonishing.

 

 

Evidently police tried to set up multidisciplinary meetings about the family several times as the mother had been arrested for assault on a couple of occasions, and they were deemed unnecessary.

 

It seems they communicated....but not effectively.

[Cooks]

poor lamb

[quinlan]

Its awful... such a tragic story...leaves me numb

[BeckyBoo]

I was on the child protection team for three years and believe me, although obviously (and thankfully) such gross abuse is the extreme, trying to get social services to remove a child is like trying to get blood from a stone - "but they have to be given a chance to parent" - what, even if the child is living in filth and squalor? "Just because they're heroin addicts / wife beaters / the most appalling person you have ever met - doesn't mean they're bad parents". Well, actually, in most cases yes it does!

BUT. When you DO eventually remove a child / children and, as I say, that happens normally in only the worst cases, the children still never ever want to leave. Because no matter how bad that person is, they are still Mum or Dad and the childs instinct is to stay. If you ever fancy the worst, best, hardest, most heart rending, tear jerking, frustrating and demoralising, high stress high pressure bang-your-head-against-a-wall job, then go on to child protection. You won't regret it.

 

Mrs B

[Paola]

OH and I were watching it this morning on the BBC news when they showed you his clothes and sleeping bag Words fail me. I cannot repeat what OH wanted to do to them

 

I could be wrong but did Great Ormond (sp?) Street miss it as well? A press release/quote was read out on This Morning saying that the GMC are looking into it.

[Tessa the Duchess]

BUT. When you DO eventually remove a child / children and, as I say, that happens normally in only the worst cases, the children still never ever want to leave. Because no matter how bad that person is, they are still Mum or Dad and the childs instinct is to stay. If you ever fancy the worst, best, hardest, most heart rending, tear jerking, frustrating and demoralising, high stress high pressure bang-your-head-against-a-wall job, then go on to child protection. You won't regret it.

 

Mrs B

 

A friend of mine was a social worker in Wales and one of his jobs was to go with the police to remove children when they were being abused, he had a nervous breakdown and is now a painter and decorator.

 

On a slightly different tangent, I heard a while ago that if the RSPCA find cases of animal abuse and neglect they inform social services if there are children living in the same house, I am not sure how I feel about this.

 

Tessa

[The Dogmother]

...I heard on the news last night that 50 people from various agencies visited the home but the mother managed to hide the babys' injuries and also hid the fact that she was living with her loathesome b.friend.

 

Tessa....

 

That's just what I don't understand Tessa; surely those '50 people from various agencies' are (or certainly SHOULD be) trained to recognise these covered up signs of abuse

 

As usual, no-one will be held accountable and this appalling event will eventually disappear off then end of the page just like all the other similar cases

[Seagazer]

Like everyone else I find cases such as this so emotionally upsetting. I said to my daughter 'why don't they have the child adopted?' they obviously don't want him if they can do things like that to him. I can't understand how people can do this, I am shocked at how low people can go. Hopefully karma will get them in the end.

[The Dogmother]

That really irks me too; there are so many deserving potential adoptive parents out there, and couples who can't have their own children and would love to offer the little fellow a brilliant home.

[magamamma]

Funny thing is that your all saying why didn't they put him up for adoption. Well from what i have read and what i understand about people like that is they kept him because they did want him but it wasn't the same want we all mean. They wanted him to perfrom their sickness on.

I think that the relief is that there is two disgusting men behind bars now and i seriously hope that the prison inmates get a good look at the papers and give them a taste of their own medicine .

Prison isn't nearly enough for those evil nut jobs!

 

I think its so ridiculous that these people are trained to recognise abuse and to spot cover ups and to see when a child or parent is not right. I think even just a vibe must have been about!

I hope that little boy is living it up in heaven!

This is just insane!

[Minnie the Moocher]

It was very distressing hearing about it on the radio news; I haven't dared reading about it in the papers.

 

I think I'm right in saying that a person who commits such acts against children is also very likely to have tortured animals first. I think the RSPCA passing on info about children living with injured/neglected animals could one day save a life.

 

*sigh*

[Egluntyne]

I think I'm right in saying that a person who commits such acts against children is also very likely to have tortured animals first. I think the RSPCA passing on info about children living with injured/neglected animals could one day save a life.

 

The step father had a proven history of this kind of behaviour......and still the 'authorities' chose not to take action.

[Chickvic]

I've been extremely distressed at this. My DD (11) has heard some of it and just asked why, how do you answer that? What reason is there for it?

[Paola]

They showed computer generated images of his injuries on the news tonight They questioned how the hospital missed them

[The Dogmother]

It defies belief, doesn't it Paola?

 

I haven't seen the news today, but will read the paper in bed in a bit.

[bluekarin]

And how the hell did the hospital miss he had a broken back?

 

Words fail me.