Cate in NZ Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Can someone please tell me, am I a total dinosaur? I find gratuitous swearing entirely offensive, and can't understand how certain swear words have entered our vocabularly almost as adjectives as opposed to expletives. I watched son's football match today- he plays for an under 15's team, and the opposition swore loudly and consistently throughout the match, I found much of it offensive and unnecessary, especially the use of the C word. I complained to the ref after the match, he said that if the teams use foul language to him he can send them off, but since it's a straight red card offence or a ref's warning, not a yellow card, and because it's considered acceptable because the likes of Rooney (ill-mannered oik that he is- sorry to all Rooney fans, my opinion only... but he is ) swear habitually it's OK for every football player below him to do the same. However certain words that are considered racially offensive would have had the boys off the pitch faster than the same Rooney could get a ball into a net, quite rightly so. So why is a word that I consider to be offensive to women acceptable I've just emailed the FA with my comments... I bet I don't get a response. How I wish my family were into rugby, or cricket, or some other sport that value manners and discipline. Fortunately daughter is into ballet... no bad language there.... just an awful lot of French Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 I have to admit that I will sweat a lot unncessarily in a football match. But on the sidelines I also find it rude. When playing football I usually swear in Italian, French or Spanish so my friends or the people around me don't understand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 That's very thoughtful of you Martin I hate swearing too. For me it's a sign that I'm getting old (I'm not, I'm still early 40's) and it's one of the many things that makes me sad these days. Bad manners, dropping litter, rudeness, selfishness, I could go on and on. I think they should ask me to appear on Grumpy Old Women Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Kate, I'm with you on this one. I find swearing offensive and do not use bad language myself. I find it completely unnecessary. Unfortunately there are many people today who are unable to express themselves in any other way. I think it is a general (and very regrettable) decline in standards and respect. You see it everywhere. You'd better get me on Grumpy Old Women too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty-Box Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I hate swearing! I don't swear, and don't need to. It's a shame people swear so much. Somtimes I think it's lazyness, so they don't have to think of another word to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesley Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I'll be joining you in the Grumpy Old Women arena Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 How I wish my family were into rugby, or cricket, or some other sport that value manners and discipline. Funny you should mention Rugby, as I had the misfortune to watch Duncan playing in a tournament yesterday (Played 4, won 1 drew 1 lost 2 - but Duncan scored his first proper try in a competitive match!!!!!!!!! ). The last game was against a team from the borders (won't mention the name, just in case anyone from the town reads the board, and I start an arguement!), and from the second the hooter went for the kick-off, the parents were shouting and swearing at the boys (8-9 year olds). We had Caity with us, so chookiehubbie complained to the coach of the Borders team, as he was almost as bad as some of the parents, and he was told to 'eff off'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 It's just appalling, isn't it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I won't get upset Shona I loath rugby I also dislike comedians who use gratuitous swearing Somewhere I worked before had a video of a dubious comedian do the rounds and "Ooops, word censored!"ody could understand why I didn't want to borrow it they thought I was weird to find him offensive and rude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I'm in total agreement. Swearing is completely unnecessary and offensive. We have such a wonderful, expressive language with many nuances to our different words that other languages don't have. People who swear clearly haven't got a good enough command of our language to think of anything better. I'm afraid I have a rather literal attitude to swear words too. e.g. 'Pass the f***ing ball' - How can a ball f**k? It just doesn't make sense. In fact it's rather a comical image. I don't want to be rude to any who habitually swear (not even you, Dan ) It is a habit that young people get into and then the swear words just flow out thoughtlessly. All I would ask is that people apply some thought to the words they choose to use. Sorry! I've been a bit forceful here in my opinions! is anyone defending the habitual use of swear words? I'd be interested to hear about it if you are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Think of some far better descriptive words to use. There must be something appopriate that rolls around the tongue and feels suitably venomous to use! Out of interest, what words do you usually use when driving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paola Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I am sitting here in shock I very rarely swear and certainly not in front of my children. The “C” word is the only word that I really find offensive. I cannot believe that it is used by children on a football pitch. You are not a dinosaur Kate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I told a group of boys off for swearing in Tesco in front of my children once - they were actually very apologetic about it. Apart from the obvious words that are offensive,I often find that some words are sort of borderline these days. Bl***y seems to be very commonly used ,as does C**p & even S**t I still think they are swaer words,although I do use them sometimes & thats as offensive as I get. Its hard to tell the kids off for saying Bl***y when its in the Harry Potter movies ,not that that particular word bothers me anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Frugal Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I don't like unnecessary swearing in films or on the TV and I can't stand to hear youngsters walking down the road F-ing at each other. It's not nice and it's not necessary at all. I do swear when I'm cross, I admit that but I've always tried not to do it in front of the children and that's where "Oh Flump" came from ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabbagepatch Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I favour the word Bunkum and when really made I say Oh flippin swear words! I do swear sometimes but really hate the c word. Very offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunee1 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I don't want to be rude to any who habitually swear (not even you, Dan ) Don't worry, I know I'm wrong and I'm trying to stop - not sure if I will ever learn to stop swearing whilst driving though! I see you suffer from car tourettes Dan you're not alone with this problem my other half suffers too, other than when driving he's terribly polite ....sometimes it can start before the ignition has been turned and more often than not before we've even left the square we live in right up until he's out of the car again....i've not got an answer for it yet an elbow to the ribs is too dangerous, maybe i'll try using far more extreme words back at him when he swears to shock it out of his system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I've never heard Debs swear so perhaps the demographic of the Omlet forum is not ideal for me to put my head above the parapet and admit to swearing - perhaps if we had more men from industry on here then I would not look so unusual! Dan you are not saying 'I swear and I'm proud of it'. That might put an end to this discussion! As a teenager, it is cool to use swear words and I guess that is how many people fall into the habit. Also there now seem to be countless homes where swearing is normal behaviour. So people can just find themselves habitual swearers. I admire you for trying to change.* It must be quite difficult as we don't always think before we speak! I am shocked to hear the 'C' word. But something that really upsets me because it seems so vulgar is 'up yours' (I hope that doesn't need moderating ). My best friend said that to me when I was 17 and she was trying to become a cool sixth former. I was really, really shocked because as I said earlier, all words have meaning for me and I'm afraid it was the literal meaning that made me feel sick. I didn't speak to her for ages after that, but she couldn't see any reason to apologise. 'It's just something people say. Get over it.' * Why do I keep saying that? Are you in fact a totally admirable person? I hope you're not getting big-headed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 in certain circumstances I swear like a drain - often in the car - and often at the computer... and I've got worse as I have got older... which words are or are-not acceptable is (I suppose) a matter of chance/choice/culture. To my parents the word "bl**dy" was not acceptable - but I'm afraid I use it quite regularly - usually pronounced cockney style as bladdy... I tend to say f-ing rather than the full word - but there's no reason why that is any better or not. sometimes I substitute the "u" for an "e" - father Jack style - but it's the same word... the c-word is a word I never use - I find it offensive - but there's no logical reason for that... as for substitute words - I've never seen why it is acceptable to say "blinking" rather than "bl**dy" or to say oh "balderdash" instead of oh "boll*cks"... I tend not to swear at people - rather I swear at things... I don't normally tell anyone to f-off, and my language changes depending on the company I am keeping... what that adds to the argument, I don't know - except I'm not particularly shocked or offended by kids punctuating their sentences with swear-words - for them it is much like adding an "um" or an "err.." It's irritating, but not offensive (because it's not usually deliberate.) I do find swearing to be a useful anger-release button - and my fruitier moments happen when "Ooops, word censored!"ody else is around (they're wasted!) - mainly at things.. or when I drop something or bang my head or stub my toe... or if snidey gov. ministers refuse to answer the question on the radio.... (that's people, not things, isn't it!! - oops!) Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffie Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 I swear at the computer and in the car sometimes . I can modify my language and bl**dy is my most common everyday word, blinkin eck is a substitute. May say worse on occasion but never ever c's. Really don't like it and children swearing sounds really dreadful. Wouldn't knowingly swear in front of children Some people swear and it is funny, the way they say it or accent. The begining of four weddings...come on that was really funny BBx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffie Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Oh Dan I've always found that very funny, just silly and not offensive..maybe that's me. We have a very old friend and he reminds us of the character played by Hugh Grant and whenever I see that bit I just remember us all renting together and the laughs we had. I had to organise him or he wouldn't get out the door Just shows how we can all feel quite differently about humour. I don't like swearing for the sake of it normally and remember seeing Jim Davidson (nightclub as a teenager)and he was just gross. Edit: How many of us like Gordan Ramsey swearing...again I do BBx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Jim Davidson is enough to make a nun swear..... Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 I may be an angel (NOT!) but my worst expletive is 'bother'! I'm almost ashamed. I don't think I've led a sheltered life. I just had a mother who referred everything to the dictionary, so when I used SH** she made me look up what it meant and asked why I would want to talk about that. So I didn't say that any more. I very rarely feel the need to say anything more than 'bother', partly I think because it isn't the actual word that releases the stress, it's the saying of it. And the 'b' in bother can have a lot of air packed behind it making it very expressive, thus releasing a lot of tension. I hope I don't sound smug. I don't feel it. I'm not generally a 'good girl' who obeys all the rules. I make my own mind up about how I want to behave and will break the rules if I don't agree with them. I'm certainly no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 I can't print (on this Forum) just exactly how I feel about Jim Davidson - even you would blushingly have to moderate my language, Dan!! Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffie Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Jim Davidson is enough to make a nun swear..... Phil Oh! Just to contradict myself I will say that I actually like Jim Davidson! and I don't even bat an eyelid when Gordon Ramsay swears (not offended at all), but I just admire his man management techniques - he is brilliant. Do you watch Hell's Kitchen USA? It was on last night. He will tear strips off someone when they are wrong but straight afterwards it is forgotton and he doesn't hold a grudge. Great! Funny old world Dan and yes he is brilliant, rather attractive too:D and Ginette you should be proud that 'bother' is as far as you go BBx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
