Janty Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I phoned the vet to ask for some ivermectin as both my cochins have scaly leg mite and I couldn't shift it with the surgical spirit and vaseline method. He said that I should bring them into the surgery. I said that I understood that it wasn't licenced for poultry, etc. and the vet said that although ivermectin would have been the medication he would have suggested too, when he telephoned the company who make it, he was advised that the eggs could never be used again. He said that he had never heard this before but that he had a duty to pass this information on. I know that some people here have specialised poultry vets so I thought that I would ask for advise. I thought that there was an egg withdrawal of just two weeks after the final application. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I'd just get some online, Janty. Xeno 200 *not licensed for use on poultry in UK will do the trick nicely....and will cost you £10 quid less than at the vets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janty Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 I did buy some at the vets but I was wondering what the more informed advice was regarding egg withdrawal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I bought my first lot at the vets and was told one week after the application of the spray, and if the dose is repeated, withdraw the eggs for another week. Having advised that, my vet went on to say that as Ivermectin is used to treat parasites in humans in the third world, she didn't bother.....but would caution against selling the eggs or giving them to children, pregnant and breastfeeding mothers and the elderly.......to be on the safe side. Article on medications and egg withdrawal **here** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Just to clarify the position with Xeno 450 and Xeno Spray. Is it as we know "Not Licensed for use in Poultry* It is widely used however and this is 'considered safe'. Of the 2 products Xeno 450 spot on is considered the best applied on the skin between the wings. 1 dose should be enough but it can be reapplied after 1 week if necessary. Eggs should NOT be consumed for 1 week after the last application. Xeno Spray can be used but as 'self application' is considered a risk Xeno 450 is advised as the better opiton again eggs should not be consumed for 1 week after application. This comes direct from the technical team at Genitrix and I hope that the info is helpful. oh, I almost forgot to add; don't forget that if you are using Permethrin (which is not in Xeno or Xeno 450) it is highly toxic to cats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Great advice there. Also be aware that Ivermectin* doesn't kill all mites. I have had success using it to treat lice, and scaley leg mites, but it won't get rid of Northern Fowl Mites; you need either Ivomec Eprinex* or Johnson's Mite Spray* for that. A good dunking in a 10% solution of Poultry Shield helps too, save that for a warm day though. *not licensed for use on poultry in UK My vet has recommended the same as Egluntine's and he's one of the country's leading poultry experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janty Posted June 3, 2009 Author Share Posted June 3, 2009 Thanks for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Ivermectin is a horse wormer(I use it sometimes, for the horse of course),...but I dont know a lot about all these mites and lice, have checked mine but so far so good. I put some lice/mite powder that smells ok in their bedding(I think it has premetherin? in it) But perhaps I better get some of these other potions just in case...makes me feel really itchy indie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurmurf Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Just to clarify the position with Xeno 450 and Xeno Spray. Is it as we know "Not Licensed for use in Poultry* It is widely used however and this is 'considered safe'. Of the 2 products Xeno 450 spot on is considered the best applied on the skin between the wings. 1 dose should be enough but it can be reapplied after 1 week if necessary. Eggs should NOT be consumed for 1 week after the last application. Xeno Spray can be used but as 'self application' is considered a risk Xeno 450 is advised as the better opiton again eggs should not be consumed for 1 week after application.This comes direct from the technical team at Genitrix and I hope that the info is helpful. oh, I almost forgot to add; don't forget that if you are using Permethrin (which is not in Xeno or Xeno 450) it is highly toxic to cats thanks for that info about permethrin. I nearly bought Battles powder yesterday instead of the Barrier stuff i usually get, but I noticed it had permethrin in it. I decided to read my omlet info first - so glad i did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I've used Xeno 200 on my hens (Not licenced for poultry) Amazon had the best price at the time I did not withdraw the eggs although you are supposed to but on the plus side I don't itch anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurmurf Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 I've used Xeno 200 on my hens (Not licenced for poultry) Amazon had the best price at the time I did not withdraw the eggs although you are supposed to but on the plus side I don't itch anymore Hi Tasha, I've just got mine from amazon too ( ) but I can't quite work out the dosage: how many pump sprays per chook do you apply? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 If I remember correctly its 1 pump for every 200g body weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatally Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Glad you asked the question Janty... My layers have got scaley leg mite (unfortunatley I bought some hens in who were at the early stages and although I kept them isolated and tried to treat it it spread!). I have tried surgical spirit and vaseline to no avail (and making the chickens very unhappy) then barrier's slm spray, again didn't work. So now I'm onto Ivermectin or Eprinax - Dad has a farm so getting it isn't a problem. Which has the best success on SL Mite though? Also do you do it as a one off and how much do you use (Farmers don't need instructions so I thought I'd check with sensible people!!). I'm glad my pekin flock are seperate - that'd be a nightmare!! Thanks Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 You need to use it as a preventative, as the little critters are always around. I have used Ivomec Eprinex (*not licenced for use on poultry in the UK) and the weght instructions on the box weere fro cows, to not immediately workable. I used one drop per kilo of bird on the skin at the back of their necks. Scaley leg mites will go if you use this, and the Johnsons anti-mite spray (*not licenced for use on poultry in the UK) but the scales will take about a year to moult off and look like anything approaching normal. I wouldn't expect smooth legs on your hens again - it just doesn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ's Chooks Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Claret, you truely are all seeing and all knowing, I have been treating our chooks with xeno recently again as i thought they had lice/mites.... but they have kept loosing feathers. Suddenly figured it out thanks to you.... it must be northern feather mites.... they appear to be eating the feathers...???? Heading down to Pets at home to get the johnsons spray.... or is the eprinex a better bet??? Thanks again Claret! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Either will work well LJ, although Ivomec Eprinex (cattle pour-on) is a preventative too. *neither are licenced for use on poultry in the UK You could have depluming mites if the mites are eating the feathers, if they have NFM then the hens will pluck out their own feathers because of the irritation caused by the bugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ's Chooks Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 I think both is happening, cos they have lost feathers on their heads and chests too. They look terrible and xeno is not touching it. Will johnsons or ivomec cure nfm and or de-plumming mites? What will be the best thing to clean the cube with... Will poulty sheild be enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ's Chooks Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 ... do i have to tell a little white lie to get eprinex... scats wont sell it to me for chooks and some web sites are asking for a herd reg number... will scats do the same if i send him in and say its for cattle???? I just want feather back... and dont want to have to buy a cow to get some!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatally Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 You need to use it as a preventative, as the little critters are always around. I have used Ivomec Eprinex (*not licenced for use on poultry in the UK) and the weght instructions on the box weere fro cows, to not immediately workable. I used one drop per kilo of bird on the skin at the back of their necks. Scaley leg mites will go if you use this, and the Johnsons anti-mite spray (*not licenced for use on poultry in the UK) but the scales will take about a year to moult off and look like anything approaching normal. I wouldn't expect smooth legs on your hens again - it just doesn't happen. Thanks Claret Do you do it as a one off or keep repeating it? Also, I understand the legs won't look any different for a while so how do you know it has worked?! Cheers!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I used Ivomec Eprinex (*not licenced for use on poultry in the UK) as both a treatment (repeat the dose a week later) if infested and as a preventative two or three times ayear. With the Johnson's spray (*not licenced for use on poultry in the UK) topically as well just to be sure. It is hard to tell if the leg mites have gone, but the exude should clear from under the scales and the affected scales will eventually moult off. If you have lots of wild birds in your garden, then you will need to keep on top of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
