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[kitchens]

Just sitting up in bed, on my net book with BBC News 24 on in the background and a piece has just come up about local councils taking a stand against parents who lie on school application forms to get their children into certain schools. It showed a case of a woman who did lie and was prosecuted (it was subsequently withdrawn - why i'm not sure). She was telling the reporter she was an innocent party in all this and how stressed she was over it all, but, ultimately SHE LIED.

[Couperwife]

I dont understand

 

why lie??????

 

I dont have a big enough brain to lie so I dont bother

 

cathy

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[kitchens]

They lie about their address. In this case the address on her application form did not match up to the address the council held of her council tax details.

 

I know my neighbour's daughter did it (they told me), as her and her husbands initials are the same as her parents. To get into a catholic school. Wrong!

[Janty]

I always said that I didn't understand why people would lie - then I met someone who did it and I could sympathise. Their child was with a bad crowd at primary school and started getting into trouble with the police. They were good parents but at their wits end living in a bad area. The parents couldn't afford to move away and so when it came to changing school, they lied about catchment. Basically, the child got into the prefered school and forgot about their old mates and turned it's life around. In this case, I could understand it. The parents did move in the end as they always intended to - as they said, eventually the child could go back to it's old ways if they continued to live in that area near the old friends.

[Space Chick]

I have a friend doing the reverse, she is desperate to move house to be that bit closer to her mum (after losing her Dad) and the rest of the family and friends, but won't do it until her child is in the comprehensive school she wants, as she is currently in the catchment area but won't be when they move.

 

I don't envy parents this stress.

[Guest]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2009/jul/03/mrinal-patel-harrow-council-school-place

 

This was the one on the news recently. If you read the articles yourself although it was eventually dropped it was because of legal fee costs etc and a slight flaw in the legalities.

 

It is quite a big problem

 

indie

[Rhapsody]

Parents should not be put in this situation. What do the authorities expect people to do if their local school is of an unacceptable standard? The resources spent prosecuting parents who want the best for their children would be better spent improving the schools that are causing the problem.

*puts soapbox away*

[chickenNutter]

I'm with you there, Rhapsody, it is the system that makes these parents so desperate that they lie.

[Griffin]

Parents should not be put in this situation. What do the authorities expect people to do if their local school is of an unacceptable standard? The resources spent prosecuting parents who want the best for their children would be better spent improving the schools that are causing the problem.

*puts soapbox away*

I totally agree. I would love to move back to Milton Keynes to be near my family and friends, I've never felt as lonely as I have these past five years here in Faringdon but because the schools there are so inferior to the ones attended now by my daughters here that I cannot. My eldest goes to the local secondary school which is rated outstanding by Ofsted. The only outstanding secondary school in MK is incredibly hard to get into as it's a Catholic school and only regular church go-ers are accepted. By all accounts the waiting list is huge too. Even when we still lived in MK I had my daughters baptised so that they could go to the Catholic infant school because it was much better than all the alternatives. Every child has the right to a good education but if the state fail to provide that then I completely understand why parents feel the need to 'be creative' with the truth.

[Willow]

It is difficult but one of the things that makes a difference to how good a school is the pupils and their parents. The more motivated parents and pupils are, the better the school.

 

Our local catholic secondary lets any one in and is not great. As a church going Catholic I'm contributing to the costs of running this school with my collection money every week even though I will never use it (the school my son goes to gets 100% C-A* at GCSE whereas the Catholic school is 34%). However when Church schools select on churchgoing and get more motivated parents and better results others will complain it's not fair.

[sadietoo]

our local c of e secondary school is very sought after, and consequently parents take their embryos to church every Sunday....of course you never see most of them there once the kids get in The school is supported just 10% by the church the rest comes from local taxes which makes me especially mad as it is very selective

 

However, I'm pleased to say it does no better than the local comp when looking at Sixth form results, which I believe means actually the local comp is the better school, since they can't pick and choose their intake, (should I add... so there!!) rant over feel better now

[Alis girls]

I know someone who did it and would do it myself if I had too. we moved house to get ES into school.

[Chook n Boo Mum]

our local c of e secondary school is very sought after, and consequently parents take their embryos to church every Sunday....of course you never see most of them there once the kids get in The school is supported just 10% by the church the rest comes from local taxes which makes me especially mad as it is very selective

 

However, I'm pleased to say it does no better than the local comp when looking at Sixth form results, which I believe means actually the local comp is the better school, since they can't pick and choose their intake, (should I add... so there!!) rant over feel better now

 

I know one woman who decided her son was going there (CofE) & took up cleaning the church to give her little "darling" a better chance..........she has a cleaner at home & doesn't give the impression of knowing one end of the feather duster from the other

 

Sha x

[Rhapsody]

Faith Schools are supposed to be for children to have parental beliefs reinforced during their education.

But it has become selection by stealth, and the government have pledged to support it! It occurs to me that if you are prepared to lie about your religion then you are probably the last person that the school wants there

I would love to see some political backbone in evidence to sort this mess out once and for all, the British education system used to be the envy of the world

[chickenanne]

It's wrong that state-education should depend on how much money you have: i.e. which area you can afford to live in. But it is wrong to lie.

If I were in that situation, I'm not sure which road I would take: to try to get the best for my child despite an unfair system, or be honest on application forms.

[Yorkshire Pudding]

It's wrong that state-education should depend on how much money you have: i.e. which area you can afford to live in. But it is wrong to lie.

If I were in that situation, I'm not sure which road I would take: to try to get the best for my child despite an unfair system, or be honest on application forms.

 

Coudn't agree more, I don't know what I would do, but lots of people do 'bend the truth'.

 

My Mum is a churchgoer and they have an annual influx of enthusiastic, faithful young families who want a place for their child at the local CofE primary. Once they have the place, most of them suddenly lose their need to attend every church function and service.

 

 

 

We are lucky with secondaries here, no academic selection and there's no church school of any denomination within reasonable travelling distance. Most children go to our nearest school. It's a good school that gets decent results with good value added. Every child I know there is happy and doing well.

 

ES is in y6 so is likely to be going there next September - that's what he wants, and it's a huge relief that he won't need to go through selection and that there is no real 'system' that we need to play.

[Valkyrie]

SIL was a staunch non believer - so much so that instead of a Christening, they had a "naming" celebration. The following month they were suddenly "converted" to RC because of the Catholic school on their doorstep which they wanted their children to attend. I went to the very same school, lived 4 miles away and it didn't matter whether we were catholics or not - we were CofE and my friend also at the same school was Methodist. There followed several family functions of bible bashing trying to convince us that they had indeed been converted and not because of the need to get their children into the school 3 years down the line. I can't bear the lying - it's so obvious.

[BarbaraJ]

Thing is even if they are catholic doesn't mean they follow the faith. My family apart from dad were brought up non strict catholics. We all went to catholic schools and they were excellent. All 3 of us children stopped going to church when we were teens. My brother entered RAF so their kids went to school where ever they were based.

I got married in CofE church as hubby hadn't been christened so couldn't get married catholic though i didnt mind and my kids didnt go to catholic school because i felt a hypocrite to send them to a faith school that i didn't practise. both of my girls have done very well and son is on the right path.

My sister sent her kids to local non catholic school,didnt like it so suddenly went back to the church and her dd got into catholic school the rest of her 4 kids went to catholic school and followed on to secondary. she went to church on and off and when they were all in there her church going stopped She doesn't go now and i feel was just as bad as non catholics/CofE lying to get their kids in or starting church for a few months.

Her kids didn't do that well though the school is supposedly good!!

 

Shame school intake can't be chosen on the effort the child and parents put into their education rather than what the parents feel is their right!

[HENthusiastic]

You just dont have these kinds of problems with chickens

[Valkyrie]

Who could possibly disagree!

[Yorkshire Pudding]

 

Very true, HEN!

[Saronne]

Perhaps if people took a different attitude, 'bad' schools might become good schools; e.g. when motivated parents ploughed their energies into supporting their local schools and working for the common good rather than moving their children to out of catchment schools in the name of doing 'what's best for best for their child.' Soapbox finished.

 

 

Saronne x

[sadietoo]

I agree with the sentiment Saronne...but who is going to let their child be a guinea pig on purpose????

 

At DS school this year in addition to A levels they decided to offer the Baccalaureate (sp?) DS was canvassed as a possiblity to do it because he was predicted good GCSE results, (which he did deliver..good lad). Anyway I am ashamed to say that whilst he was keen to do it, I discouraged him, partly because I didn't want him to be a guinea pig, and partly because my daughter's french boyfriend didn't think it had the value of A levels. So he opted for A Levels, three sciences and geography, which he is enjoying and doing well at.

 

The problem is when faced with these choices is that you know they have the one chance and you just can't take the risk with it...In the end the school only has about three brave souls doing the baccalaureate instead of A levels...we will wait to see what the outcome is, but DS has said he is glad that he isn't doing it because the teaching is being fitted in around the A level courses, and he feels it is all a bit piecemeal (no doubt because they just didn't have the uptake they were hoping for it). I feel totally lacking in public spirit, and yet absolutely happy with the choice we encouraged our son to make....

[Chook n Boo Mum]

Education is such a minefield..we are at present looking at secondary schools for our DD (yr5)...obviously we want the best for her, as we feel we have given her brother and their older siblings before them, but there are so many decisions to make and we make the right ones for her .

 

DS's school offers the IB as well as A levels, but thankfully we are a little distant from that decision as he's only in Yr8

 

Sha x

[Willow]

Shame school intake can't be chosen on the effort the child and parents put into their education rather than what the parents feel is their right!

 

I so agree !

 

Perhaps if people took a different attitude, 'bad' schools might become good schools; e.g. when motivated parents ploughed their energies into supporting their local schools and working for the common good rather than moving their children to out of catchment schools in the name of doing 'what's best for best for their child.' Soapbox finished.

 

Saronne that sounds fine in theory but there are limits to what parents can achieve even when they plough their energies into the school. If the school has a knife problem for example all you can do is avoid. My BIL is a teacher and when he was working as a supply teacher he had to get a police escort to get off the grounds safely after he told of one boy and the violent parent took exception to their child being told off - sorry but that school and that family need more than other pupils having involved parents.