Guest Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Bronze, Cow & Gate are also guilty but I don't think they market as aggressively in the Third World as Nestle. They target mothers here in the UK instead. Do you mean C&G target mothers in campaigns to stop them breastfeeding, and to put babies on to bottled milk? They certainly don't - it is illegal for milk products to be advertised if they are meant for babies under the age of 6 months. If you are in a maternity unit and you cannot breastfeed (because, believe me, some mothers desperately want to breastfeed, but for one reason or another, are simply unable to) and you request milk to feed your baby, the choice is also left up to you - no midwife or health visitor would recommend any brand of formula milk over another. On the otherhand, as has already been discussed in this thread, Nestle actively encourage (even push) mothers to use their formula in Third World countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 I'm afraid the list is HUGE: Coffee - Nescafé including: Alta Rica Black Gold Blend 37 Cap Colombie Cappuccino Caro Decaff Expresso Fine Blend Gold Blend Kenjara Nescafé Ice Organic Partners Blend Dairy products Carnation Coffee-Mate Extreme Viennois Fussells Ideal LC1 Munch Bunch yoghurts Rowntree yoghurts and ice creams Simply Double Ski yogurts Sveltesse yogurts Tip-Top Confectionery & snacks Aero After Eights Animal Bar Baci Chocolate Black Magic Blue Riband Breakaway Caramac Chocolate Cuisine *Colgate Dental Gum Dairy Box Dairy Crunch Double Cream Drifter Fab Fruit Pastilles Heaven Henri Nestlé Collection Jellytots Kit Kat Kit Kat Chunky Lion Bar *Lyons Maid Ice Cream Matchmakers Maxibon Milky Bar Munchies *Nestlé Ice Cream Polo Quality Street Rolo Rowntrees Fruit Gums Smarties Toffee Crisp Toffo Tooty Frooties Walnut Whip Willy Wonka Yorkie Contact lens care Alcon Mineral/bottled water Aqua Panna Aquarel Buxton Contrex Perrier Pow-wow San Pellegrino Santa Maria Valvert Vittel Other drinks Build-up Milo Nesquik Nestea Processed meals Buitoni pasta & canned foods Herta Maggi *Osem/Tivall *Rowntrees Jellies *Cereals Cheerios & Honey Nut Cheerios Cinnamon and Golden Grahams Clusters Cookie Crisp Shreddies Fibre 1 Fitnesse Force Flakes Fruitful Golden Nuggets Nesquik cereal Shredded Wheat including: Bitesize, Fruitful, Honey Nut Shreddies: Coco and frosted *Cosmetics Biotherm Body Shop Cosmence Garnier Helena Rubenstein Innéov La Roche-Posay Lancome L'Oreal Matrix Maybelline Metamorphosis Plénitude Redken Pet Foods Arthur's Bakers BETA Bonio Felix Friskies Go-Cat Go-dog Gourmet One Pro Plan Purina Spiller's Vital Balance Winalot oh god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Its a tragic situation for these women, often trying to breastfeed several children under 5 - the problem is that the women themselves are so undernourished and dehydrated that their milk often does 'dry up' and they are faced with a very difficult dilemma.My personal feeling is that they should be promoting/providing contraception not formula milk (but thats a whole other topic for discussion!). Having worked in third world countries myself, with young mothers (albeit nearly 20 years ago) I am with Fee on this one. the poor loves are worn out with producing babies, running the 'house' providing and preparing food. Education on contraception is essential for their quality of life and sanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Do you mean C&G target mothers in campaigns to stop them breastfeeding, and to put babies on to bottled milk? They certainly don't - it is illegal for milk products to be advertised if they are meant for babies under the age of 6 months. sorry chookiehen, should have written a bit more clearly to make it plain I was quoting from the Baby Milk Action website. I'm always trying not to make my posts too long! It says they promote their product by offering e.g. free vitamins, thermometers etc. I wanted to reassure Bronze that she hadn't wasted her time boycotting them too - I think Nestle are the worst, but they are not the only offenders. I'm sure all the providers are careful not to actually break the law in the UK, but if you look at the Baby Feeding Law Group website http://www.babyfeedinglawgroup.org.uk/ it's clear that there are lots of attempts to flout the regulations. I don't want to drag this topic away from the main point however - it's mothers in other countries who are most at risk from this, and Nestle are the biggest offender in that respect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissinuk Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 We have access to clean water and there is assistance for those on low income, making starvation unlikely, so there is a difference. I doubt that many babies die because they were bottle fed in the UK/ Western Europe. The picture of the mother with twins says it all about bottle feeding in the third world. If you were replying to my comment I think you have taken it out of context. I didn't say that the reasons for pushing breast milk were the same here as the 3rd world, I know they are not. What I said was I am fed up of do-gooders over here trying to push breast milk as they feel it is the best thing to do. It's a personal preference that should be down to the parents, no-one else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 A fair view. A friend was totally against breastfeeding and was treated like a pariah while in hospital and by the health visitor. My sister couldn't breastfeed and was reduced to tears by her health visitor (who I read the riot act to). I breastfed happily, but combined with a bottle when I had to go back to work. The HV had a go at me about it, but I told her that if she didn't like it then she neededn't visit in future! I am pro-breastfeeding myself, if the person concerned wants to do it. But it all needs to be applied to each case individually, and their needs taken into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickencam Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 I had a real struggle for two weeks trying to brestfeed my eldest, but she would have non of it I think because they gave a bottle on the first night in the hospital because her blood sugar was very low. I was dreading telling the HV that I had switched to bottle feeding but she was really kind. We were all much happier after that. I then breast fed my other two without a problem. each baby and each mother is different. In an ideal world all mothers would breastfeed, but we all know that this world is anything but There have to be alternatives out there for those who are too sick etc to feed their own babies and unfortunately that means that the big companies that have done the research into them make money out of it. I try not to knowingly buy Nestle products and don't approve of their activities in the third world, but as I say we do not live in an ideal world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 As with everything else, we all have to stay well-informed and make the choices that fit best with our lifestyle/pocket/conscience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 We have access to clean water and there is assistance for those on low income, making starvation unlikely, so there is a difference. I doubt that many babies die because they were bottle fed in the UK/ Western Europe. The picture of the mother with twins says it all about bottle feeding in the third world. If you were replying to my comment I think you have taken it out of context. I didn't say that the reasons for pushing breast milk were the same here as the 3rd world, I know they are not. What I said was I am fed up of do-gooders over here trying to push breast milk as they feel it is the best thing to do. It's a personal preference that should be down to the parents, no-one else. Absolutely....but that is not what this thread is about. We are very lucky to have the luxury of choice and information in the west. I wholeheartedly agree with the point made about adequate contraception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Maybe if the companies want to push their formula onto these mothers they should be made to provide clean drinking water and sanitation for them as well. That way they may realise its not all about making money out of those who have few choices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Now that is an idea. And achievable too I imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Good call Bron - shall we bombard them with emails suggesting that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhapsody Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 I wholeheartedly agree with the point made about adequate contraception. Ironically, breast-feeding has a partially contraceptive side-effect (good old Mother Nature eh?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 A few vasectomy clinics wouldn't go amiss either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
