Guest Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 I'm not sure you are allowed to release vermin, having caught it. I think you have to kill it. Maybe someone knows more than I do . . . I hate rats and I don't think I could have even photographed it! But I do know that too much marzipan makes them vomit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 I hate rats and I don't think I could have even photographed it! But I do know that too much marzipan makes them vomit. Too much marzipan has a similar effect on me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 I thought rats couldn't vomit Ginette They have no emetic response and no gall bladder which is why rat poison works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Shona wrote: Phone your local environmental health - they'll remove it for you. They destroy it, but if it's as vicious as you say, then it probably for the best. Mmmm - but the whole point was NOT to kill it, surely? Graham says he really doesn't want to kill it. It's only "aggressive" because it's caught in a cage... Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHen Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 I agree with chookiehen. Phone the council and they will deal with it for you and you don't have to worry anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 I'm not sure you are allowed to release vermin, having caught it. I think you have to kill it. I think Graham's OK with the law in releasing it... It's only non-native species that you are not allowed to release - like squirrels. If you accidentally caught a grey squirrel, a coypu or a mink in your trap - you'd have to kill it by law - or get a release license. You could release a red-squirrel - in fact it'd be against the law to kill one of those... you can release rats and mice... (though given there is a big rise in the rat population at the moment - DEFRA wouldn't recommend it, I'm sure) Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 I phoned the council to see what the options are. Bottom line is they won't go near a live rat in a cage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 if you release it back out into the garden - will the council come and deal with it then?? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Then they would, yes, but they said they would just put poison down. Anyone would think they're scared of rats! Anyway, with two coat hangers I have managed to pick the cage up and put it into a large plastic box with a lid (with holes). I'm going to drive it somewhere at lunch time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Good luck Hon. I'd have whacked it one, or got Phil's brother to come over with his shotgun Be sure to set the trap again as there will probably be others. How about releasing it into the sea????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Man Banned Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 How about releasing it into the sea????? Now there's a thought - send it to France!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 it should go to Norway, surely? (or, more accurately, SE Asia, as they don't come from Norway at all...) it looks like a Rattus Norvegicus to me.. which reminds me.... Walking on the beaches looking at the peaches... i can think of a lot worse places to be like down in the streets or down in the sewer or even on the end of a skewer Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 or even on the end of a skewer Phil That'll be when it arrives in France then!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Baldrick: Would you like some rat au vin to help you think? Blackadder: Rat...au vin? Baldrick: Yeah, it's rat that's been... Blackadder: ...run over by a van. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Classic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabbagepatch Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 i don't know much about this subject but just in case i need to, is it safe to use poison in the garden - i have two cats?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 This and lots of other fascinating information about the wild brown rat here: http://cj_whitehound.madasafish.com/Rats_Nest/Norway_Rats/Wild.htm Phil (This topic has been quite educational!) There are numerous legends associated with wild rats - although since Norway rats only arrived in Europe around the beginning of the 18thC, many of them probably really relate to the ship rat. Buck ship rats can get so hormone-happy they really will launch unprovoked attacks on males of other species; although if a screaming ship rat leaps straight at your face it is not, as legend has it, because he wants to tear your throat out, but because he wants to pee on your head in order to prove his superiority. Wild Norway rats do not make unprovoked attacks - but may run all over you, and possibly bite as they go, if you suddenly disturb them and you happen to be between them and the exit. If you are working in an area where there may be wild rats and you have to e.g. lift planks or similar which may have rats hiding under them, don't stand between the rats and the door, and turn whatever it is over slowly and gently. That way, the rats should scamper discreetly out by the door - rather than swarming up your leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHen Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Just a wicked thought. The council will only deal with it if it's not in a trap. How about letting it loose - in their offices?! Sometimes councils make me mad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 You could try selling it to a gullible Spanish waiter as a Siberian Hamster Just keep away from the cheese biscuit tin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 I like your humour HappyHen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 i don't know much about this subject but just in case i need to, is it safe to use poison in the garden - i have two cats?? it depends on your cats, really. If used outside - where other animals (like your cats) have access, then the rat-bait should be in a bait-station like this one: the other danger is if your cats are in the habit of eating rats... were they to catch and eat a poisened (so easier to ctach) live-rat - or (less likely) eat a dead one - then there is a chance they would be poisoned too... but then that is a hazard anyway - because anyone living nearby could be using poison. in most cases - if you use a bait station - then it's quite a low risk to your cats... Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 It probably wouldn't make a cat too ill as the amount would be quite low if they ate a dead rat but to be honest cats really don't go for dead prey dogs on the other hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Man Banned Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Just a wicked thought. The council will only deal with it if it's not in a trap. How about letting it loose - in their offices?! Sometimes councils make me mad! Now there's a thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Anyway, with two coat hangers I have managed to pick the cage up and put it into a large plastic box with a lid (with holes). I'm going to drive it somewhere at lunch time. is it gone then, Graham? - we're all dying to know.... (or did you just take it for a drive? ) Phil (I've had my lunch now...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
