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[sandyhas3chucks]

I ws told yesterday of someoe who was reported to Defra for feeding her hens lettuce.

Apparently she went into kitchen washed it took off outside leaves went out gave to her chooks

Norma;l eh?

Anyway DEFRA called to her house and asked if she wanted to duscus it at her house or down the police station ?????????????

????

[Guest]

what absolute rubbish no offence!

[Redwing]

I can't believe they would be bothered with that, someone trying to scaremonger you maybe?

[sandyhas3chucks]

Think she was genuine. she very into being self sufficiency, wouldn't scare me, my neighbours

a)can't see

B) wouldn't

c)wouldn't know

 

thought it sounded weird, reckoned someone would "know" on here!

no offence takeb Poet

sounded trollop I agree but nothing would surprise me in this crazy country now!

[Falkor]

It is right, Defra says no catering waste to members of "farm species".

[sandyhas3chucks]

Lordy you would think they would have better things to do with their time than visiting over a lettuce

It wouldn't effect me it's not catering waste I hate it, only buy for the girls

They'd do better to check on the way farmers keep then in cages

It is a crazy world

Another thought for us with chook ladders... have they got their certificate of safety for ladder use?

[sandyhas3chucks]

sorry might need moderating! not sure if I can say that

[Egluntyne]

I ws told yesterday of someoe who was reported to Defra for feeding her hens lettuce.

Apparently she went into kitchen washed it took off outside leaves went out gave to her chooks

Norma;l eh?

Anyway DEFRA called to her house and asked if she wanted to duscus it at her house or down the police station ?????????????

????

 

 

Who reported her? Her mother in law? :D

 

Strictly speaking, hens shouldn't be fed on s"Ooops, word censored!"s from the kitchen, but I imagine that Defra are more concerned about commercial organisations than back yard chickens flocks.

 

However, the quote below from **Defra ** is quite specific.

 

The Regulations prohibit the feeding of meat, fish and most other products of animal origin to ruminants, pigs or poultry. They also make it an offence to allow them to have access to such material. They also prohibit any catering waste being fed, whether processed or not. This also includes catering waste from vegetarian restaurants and kitchens.

 

If material such as vegetables, pastry, crisps or sweets is to be fed to livestock, it should originate from premises where no meat or most other products of animal origin are handled and may not come from any kitchen or restaurant. However, there are some circumstances where, providing premises e.g. bakers, supermarkets, crisps manufacturers, confectioners (but not from kitchens and restaurants) are able to demonstrate that they have Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP) procedures in place to ensure that there is no possibility of the material intended to be fed to livestock being contaminated by meat or most other products of animal origin, it may be acceptable for the material to originate on the same premises (but not from vegetarian catering facilities). In such cases, operators are advised to ensure that their local authority is content that their separation procedures are adequate.

[Olly]

Still trying to get my head round that one.

 

I cannot believe that DEFRA are bothered about one person feeding lettuce to their chickens, especially when the eggs are probably not being sold commercially. Crikey, they'd only have to do a search on here for 'treats' and they could be busy for months!

 

If anyone asks, I'll say the chickens are just ornamental, they don't actually lay any eggs!

[sandyhas3chucks]

I new we could rely on "E",

so as long as we have a HACCP in place thats ok....

will start one now, will tell the worms to keep their heads down, & the slugs and snails and caterpillars that technically they are meat so keep off the veggies

will that do

 

yes i wondered who told, should think it would be reasonably obvious!

 

I also am wondering if this came into effect AFTER Mad Cow. I mean weren't the vegetarian ruminants given feed containing meat?

Dear dear where will it all end!

[Chook n Boo Mum]

Hands up everyone who feeds their chooks with "pastry, crisps and sweets"........

 

And I was going to say that sweets don't contain meat, but of course gelatin is a meat product

 

***goes off muttering, the world's gone mad!!!!***

 

Sha x

[sandyhas3chucks]

***goes off muttering, the world's gone mad!!!!***

 

does this sound like bok bok bbbbuuuhhhh bbbbuuuuuhhhhh I am sure you all know the tune!

[Egluntyne]

You are right about the mad cow thingy. sandy.

 

Off to create a Critical Control Point then book a fitting for a lovely white jacket I have seen. It has leather fasteners and extra long sleeves which buckle at the back.

 

I may be gone for some time.

[sandyhas3chucks]

oh we will ALL be able to chat in person then they are very fetching in white don't youi think

[Margalot]

If That happened to me I would ask to discuss it down the station, as long as I could have the blue flashing lights taking me there and my solicitor present!!

 

On the other hand if it was Gene Hunt form Ashes to Ashes I would love a ride in his red Audi Quattro!!!

[The Dogmother]

Tis true enough although I am surprised that DEFRA are bothered with a backyard hen keeper when they couldn't even summmon up the energy in the last AI outbreak to visit any of the farms locally Don't get me started.

 

I am often asked this question though and caution that while most people DO feed their hens s"Ooops, word censored!"s, that it's not permitted by DEFRA and that they do so at their own risk. I also get asked whether is is OK to feed them meat or tuna - the same answer applies.

 

 

Any room in that jacket for two Egluntine?

[Chook n Boo Mum]

Maybe we can get a bulk discount on those special jackets.....

 

Sha x

[Patricia W]

So are berry- flavoured mealworms from Pets at Home classed as sweets??

 

BTW - who checks that the mealworms REALLY are berry flavoured ?? Not me .....

 

Tricia

[Eggquisite]

Well you learn something new every day!!! I think DEFRA may need to get their priorities in a little more order perhaps..

 

Amazing.. very interesting topic though..

 

better book myself into that special little white number too oh & definitely a ride in Gene Hunt's Quattro - brilliant series...

[Guest]

You are right about the mad cow thingy. sandy.

 

Off to create a Critical Control Point then book a fitting for a lovely white jacket I have seen. It has leather fasteners and extra long sleeves which buckle at the back.

 

I may be gone for some time.

 

 

We definitely need a pic of the lovely white jacket

 

You dont have a spare for Defra ?

[madchickenlady]

It's all very well forbidding us from feeding things to the hens, but have the hens read the relevant document? My girls regularly demolish my flower beds and have been known to steal grapes from the kitchen. It would be wonderful to have some paperwork to wave in their faces and threaten them with court action

[Guest]

It's all very well forbidding us from feeding things to the hens, but have the hens read the relevant document? My girls regularly demolish my flower beds and have been known to steal grapes from the kitchen. It would be wonderful to have some paperwork to wave in their faces and threaten them with court action

 

 

The paperwork is probably against the geneva convention of chicken rights...& stealing well what little thieves I would call the cops

[sandyhas3chucks]

So glad we are treating this topic with the gravity it deserves

[jackiepoppies]

My OH is just making a salad as I type. He has just said 'Shall I save these bits for the chickens....or will we get a knock on our door?' Huh......they'd have to find us first

 

Jx

[LaPoule]

So glad we are treating this topic with the gravity it deserves

In all seriousness though

 

If I buy some plums, intending to feed them to the chickens, does that count as food waste Surely not? So, if I take a few bites out of one, and then give the rest to the chicks, how is that different?!

 

I'm all for not feeding waste to animals, particularly where the quality of that waste is in question, and the public's safety could be put at risk, but HELLO!? ANYBODY HOME?!?! where exactly is the public danger in feeding clean, human-grade lettuce to some backyard hens, who will eat anything green growing from the ground, regardless of the sanitary conditions?

 

I'm not sure what's worse: DEFRA's response, or the fact that someone actually shopped this person for a few salad leaves!

 

Maybe we should start a petition or something, and get some clarification and sense injected into the law - the DEFRA guy is coming to see me soon, about the badger sett in my garden - I might ask him.