Egluntyne Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Well said Mrs B. The McCanns are a thorn in the flesh of the Portugese police who don't even bother to investigate when Portugese children go missing. Apparently there have been 7, boys and girls, in the last few years who have vanished and apart from a cursory preliminary investigation there has been nothing to speak of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susiepoos Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 No sorry! I am sticking by my gut feeling - yes they have done it. They didn't mean to, but they have made a huge mistake and thought oh sugar...& tried to deny it & cover it up. It will all come out soon!They are just not right! YOu do not sedate children, I'm sorry but you just don't. Normal people get on & cope with their children! Emma.x Who says they sedated them???? The press - if Madeline was sedated the twins would have been too therefore they would be dead or ill - they're doctors for goodness sake, they know what a safe dose is. This is all supposition!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Well said Kev, Mrs B andSue. I think we'd all like Maddie to be alive and returned to her family, but the chances of that happening are very, very slim now. If she were still alive, I just can't bear to think about what migth have happened to her Because of the total ineptitude on behalf of the Portuguese police, her family may never knwo what happened to her.. it's onl;y right that a conclusion be reached, and they be allowed to grieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftyhunnypie Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Who says they sedated them???? The press - if Madeline was sedated the twins would have been too therefore they would be dead or ill - they're doctors for goodness sake, they know what a safe dose is. Doctors are not angels! Not all doctors are clever as we assume! Mrs B, I totally agree with you about the amount of children that are missing & why has this case been centre of attention??? You're right, because they are middle class doctors! We are all entitled to our own opinions, whether they be swayed by the press or not - we still have them. I also hope & pray that Maddie is safe, but the whole case & publicity about it is annoying now! Emma.x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susiepoos Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Who says they sedated them???? The press - if Madeline was sedated the twins would have been too therefore they would be dead or ill - they're doctors for goodness sake, they know what a safe dose is. Doctors are not angels! Not all doctors are clever as we assume! Mrs B, I totally agree with you about the amount of children that are missing & why has this case been centre of attention??? You're right, because they are middle class doctors! We are all entitled to our own opinions, whether they be swayed by the press or not - we still have them. I also hope & pray that Maddie is safe, but the whole case & publicity about it is annoying now! Emma.x Craftyhunnypie - I know doctors are not angels - I've worked with them for 25 years but what was said was that they sedated them deliberately to keep the children asleep whilst they had a meal. This means they didn't deliberately mean to kill them which in turn means they are aware of the safe dose to give a child in order not to harm them. I hope I'm making sense. It's one thing to sedate a child to sleep and a totally different one to poison a child to kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftyhunnypie Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 They shouldn't be sedating them, no matter what dose! I don't agree with it. The children should have either been with them, or they should have been in the room with the children. They should not have been separate! I'm not saying that they deliberately set out to kill, I'm saying that it was a huge accident that is being covered up due to shame & fear of her having the twins taken off her. Also - when Maddie first went missing, the mother said ' they've taken her'. Who are they??? Who does she mean? I've decided to keep out of any further discussion on this topic & just look in & I'll keep my opinion to myself! Emma.x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules. Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 My mum used to give me phenaghan (speling?) back in the early 70's. I think it was quite common then I have let her know my disgust at this practise since..... If the McCann twins are anything like my children were at the age of 2 then night waking is quite common. Lack of sleep (for parents) is the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Lack of sleep (for parents) is the norm. Yes it is, and it can be very very difficult......but it goes with the territory....you just have to get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 I'm in agreement Jules, just my personal opinion (and I've posted this before), children are a responsibility and shouldn't be treated like an irksome burden. I've spent years not going out, eating and going to bed early so that Rosie could be safe. When we've been with friends, we've taken it in turns to be with the children. That's what you do when you have children - something has to give, and personal freedom and selfishness are just two of the things that have to be sacrificed. One wouldn't (hopefully) get a dog without being prepared to get up early to walk and feed it each morning, so why treat children like an inconvenient pet? It's so hard to comment and express an opinion on such an emotive subject without upsetting people - we just have to accept that we're all going to have different opinions, none of them right or wrong, just what we believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Lack of sleep (for parents) is the norm. Yes it is, and it can be very very difficult......but it goes with the territory....you just have to get on with it. I couldn't agree more Egluntine. Rosie was an appalling sleeper for the first three years of her life; I had to go back to work when she was just 8 weeks old, and almost always managed to make it throguh the day on just 3 hours of sleep. When I look at her now, it was all worth it though. Having a snot line on my best work trousers was another one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules. Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Hubby & I say that we will go out for an evening once a month.... We are going to a wedding reception next week... I think that will be the first time we will have gone out socially this year We do get out most Sunday nights to go to church... there is a creche ( but I am on the creche rota, & so look after the children about once a month...!) Having said all that, I'm sure that if we did have a regular opportunity to go out, & it probably would be something very simple like a walk, I would be too tired to do so!!!! Working in full-time paid employment is easier than parenting, I always say. There are no holidays from parenting- even when your children have grown up. My Nanna was 85 last week, & she stiil worries about her 6 children. She calls my dad "her lad" & he has just turned 63!!! We go out as a family. Full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairy&cake Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 lack of sleep! i know that one, until recently seth woke every hour and would only get 3 hrs sleep a night. IF THAT In the first 5 days of him being born [you have to write everything down] i had 1 hr 15 mins. i felt like i was a zombie! My MIL said she you can get infant seditives from Dr's , she sasid to get some! OVER MY DEAD BODY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 My (Italian) mother still fusses me when I see her, and I'm 44! She wants to check that I have a clean hanky and lipstick in my handbag, and if we're more than a few minutes late, she starts to worry Rosie's dad is now able to have her sometimes - he can't cope with more than a weekend, but it's a big help sometimes. I never even leave her at night to pop to the letterbox, which is 20 yards up the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Mine are older now, but I would never,ever have sedated them For any reason. Never. Thats it,I am not looking at this thread any more.I have said my peice & read the things you all feel too. Its upsetting me,so I am taking a step back from this one...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairy&cake Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Clare my Italian Nana is like that!!!!! I think Italians are like that!!! I have a monitor pad under seths matress so if he were to stop moving / heaven forbid stop breathing etc a alarm the sound of a fire alarm would go off. it also makes me feel better incase anyone stole him in the night. The alarm would go off. And i hope i could get to him before anything happened I couldnt even leave him in the house to walk to the end of my road either!!! You wonder how caring the Mc canns are! ;( poor maddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa33 Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 I agree about the amount of responsibility with children. I have never felt responsible enough to have children and at 33 still don't. I can just about cope with Jasdog & the girls. I'm not even sure I'm responsible enough to look after myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules. Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 I'm not even sure I'm responsible enough to look after myself. I have been feeling like that recently too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairy&cake Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 HAHHAHA!!!! Somtimes people say to me, OOOh how old are you then? You look too young to have a child.[ nosey people!] me: 20, im going to be a foster mom soon after ive done the rest of the training, i love being a Mother. Them: Oh right, i bet you get stressed being young.I bet you hate it ? Me: Not at all. Im too laid back.I love it they usually walk off after that or laugh or something. Why would i be stressed bcause im young? im not one of these Chavvy Moms! They think everyone whos young is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Lack of sleep (for parents) is the norm. Yes it is, and it can be very very difficult......but it goes with the territory....you just have to get on with it. I couldn't agree more Egluntine. Rosie was an appalling sleeper for the first three years of her life; I had to go back to work when she was just 8 weeks old, and almost always managed to make it throguh the day on just 3 hours of sleep. When I look at her now, it was all worth it though. Having a snot line on my best work trousers was another one... I so know how this feels. I too went back to work after Harry and Jules were born. Harry was a joy and would sleep literally like a baby but Jules woke up 2 or 3 times every single night. She didn't cry she just wanted a cuddle (she is now 9 and still loves being cuddled) Dan and I like to include the children in as many adventures as we can. We are a family and do things together. We have spent many a night in a hotel room with them, playing cards and acting daft. We would never leave them alone, even now they are a bit bigger. When they were small we went to a few holiday camps fo long weekends. The children thought they were fantastic. They could run about in the clubs and join in with all the activities. We could sit down and have a rest and a beer or 2. They thought they had loads of freedom. Little did they know we were watching them like hawks, we even bought them those glowing necklaces so we could see were they were. I hope the McCanns story has a happy ending, somehow I think not though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 I've decided to keep out of any further discussion on this topic & just look in & I'll keep my opinion to myself! Emma.x Emma please carry on contributing to this topic your opinion is as valuable as anyone elses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Now the newspapers are claiming that the bodily fluids found in the back of the car clearly demonstrate that sleeping tablets were in the system of whoever the body fluids belonged to. I agree that it would not be easy to kill a child with an overdose of a sedative specifically designed for children...but adul sleeping tablets are another thing. Has the child got out of bed and taken someone else's tablets which she found lying around? I can't believe that someone with the McCann's training would be foolish enough to give a child adult sleeping tablets. Kate did some training in anaesthetics so she would have specific understanding....surely she wouldn't have taken such a risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susiepoos Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Who knows what's going on - certainly not the press, I'm fed up with all this sensationalism and gossip - only the McCanns know what happened that night - this whole debacle is getting worse by the hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Frugal Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 The Omlet forum administrators and moderators are concerned that some people have become distressed by this emotive subject; while we like to encourage a healthy debate on the forum, we also like to maintain harmony and peace. While there is so much uncertainty in the media, we've decided that the topic should be locked so that we can all continue to think about the subject in our own space. Once things become clearer, we will unlock it again and let the debate continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
