New hens not going into Eglu Go Up

[Egluntyne]

Latest I heard is that the church might be a crime scene.

 

Apparently the priest gave them the keys and invited them to come and go as they pleased.....a very kind act I'm sure......but now there are hints that they might have stashed the body there.

 

I return to this point though ...an unburied body in the summer in Portugal would make itself known very soon.

 

Odd though that Gerry should make a statement saying that he does not believe his wife had anything to do with the disappearance of the child.....As my neighbour has just remarked it is as if he is saying that he didn't do it so it must have been her.

 

Edited for typo!

Edited September 11, 2007 by Guest

[craftyhunnypie]

This whole McCann thing makes me shudder! I have said from day one that it's the parents & I think they roped the neighbour in on all this as a sort of cover up for themselves! I just have a gut feeling that yes they have done it! They don't seem distraught enough over their daughter missing. I know my parents would not be able to function or even think properly, they would be in floods of tears all the time and look terribly ill!

 

Maddy's mother was the last one to check on her daughter, I wonder how long it was before she reported her missing???

 

I'm watching the news like a hawk at the moment!

 

I don't trust the McCanns. Sorry if I upset anyone here on the forum, but the above is just my opinion.

 

Emma.x

[chelsea]

the evidence is mounting up and its getting all too fishy for me

 

I thought all along "something wasnt right". Of course they are innocent until proven guilty,....but something isnt right!

 

Someone told me at work today that the Teddy bear was washed soon after her disappearance.....I wonder if that was correct?

[Egluntyne]

Whether they are guilty or not........the forensics are such a shambles that they will "get away" with it.

 

Like others I feel that it hasn't smelt right, from the outset.

 

I hope they are innocent if only for the sake of their other two children.

 

Don't forget, a body hasn't been found yet.

[chelsea]

 

I hope they are innocent if only for the sake of their other two children.

 

.

 

I hope you are right Eglutine, and that im proved wrong for once!

 

(hubby says im always right !! )

[The Dogmother]

I guess I'd say that too if you had your hands round my throat!

[xChicken04x]

Dont you think its odd that as soon as they become suspects, they decide to go home?

hmmmmmmmm

xx

[Cate in NZ]

I genuinely know very little here, but may I please quietly express my opinion that so far we all only know what the media has chosen to share with us, and there's one heck of a lot of sensationalism going on. Some of the "facts" are wrong, some are misinterpreted and the forensic investigations are in no way concluded yet. As far as I'm concerned thus far Kate and Gerry McCann made a dreadful error of judgement in leaving their children unattended, and boy are they paying a massive price for it. Lost their daughter, vilified by the Press and the principle suspects in the eyes of the Police. That's a lot to cope with

Killing your child with an overdose of sedatives is hard, you can make them sleep for a week, wake up with a hangover and damage their liver, but killing 'em, sedatives don't actually achieve that easily , and doctors who understand drugs and drug dosages etc are unlikely to make such a big error as to accidentally kill in that way. Maybe Joe could check that statement for me, but I think I'm right there.

We also all react differently to grief situations. Some folks will crumple and cry, some will come out fighting. Hubby's much loved sister died very unexpectedly a few years back (in entirely non-suspicious circumstances I hasten to add), but instead of grieving he organised and supported and just generally did anything to keep her memory fresh and to keep busy so that he didn't have time to sit and mourn and grieve and break down. Possibly not "normal" behaviour, but very much in tune with his personality. The McCanns are professional people, used to dealing with crises at work, maybe it's their way of dealing with this to keep busy, keep doing something, anything

As I say, I don't know, but right now I just feel huge compassion for them. The forensic evidence will all come out eventually, but it's really not all there yet, despite what the media might say. Wait before you judge too harshly please.

[Helen&Lee]

Afamily I'm with you on this at the moment.

I am always wary of how the press pick up on small details and turn it into headline selling article in the newspapers - lets not forget that a few months ago they had condemned that poor Robert Murat as guilty without doubt.

Yes, they haven't shown emotions and even some things they have written have seemed strangly put, but as professionals doing the jobs they do I would imagine they have had years of practice at keeping their emotions in check.

I just can't see them guilty yet - but I always look for the best in people first and sometimes, - just sometimes I'm let down... I hope this time isn't one of them.

If Maddie could be found - it could answer all the questions....

 

Helen

[bronze]

Dont you think its odd that as soon as they become suspects, they decide to go home?

hmmmmmmmm

xx

 

they had already said they were planning to go home before the suspects thing happened.

As I've said before I won't pass judgement and wait and see.

 

What I'm not liking is the way the police seem to have moved on as if its over. Imagine how that feels...... they {the McCannss) must feel so impotent when they would want the police to carry on searching (assuming their innocence)

[Lesley]

Afamily I'm with you on this at the moment.

I am always wary of how the press pick up on small details and turn it into headline selling article in the newspapers - lets not forget that a few months ago they had condemned that poor Robert Murat as guilty without doubt.

Yes, they haven't shown emotions and even some things they have written have seemed strangly put, but as professionals doing the jobs they do I would imagine they have had years of practice at keeping their emotions in check.

I just can't see them guilty yet - but I always look for the best in people first and sometimes, - just sometimes I'm let down... I hope this time isn't one of them.

If Maddie could be found - it could answer all the questions....

 

Helen

 

Very well put KateA and Helen, I couldn't find the words to put it as you have, but that is how I feel about it all.

 

Helen - I'm often let down as well - but I'd still rather look for the best, let's hope this sad situation has a best side

[Egluntyne]

According to Sky News a "mass" of hair has been found in the car.

 

Is it Madeleine's?

 

Who ever it belongs to....have they only just found it?

 

What constitutes a "mass"?

 

In any case, it could have got there by secondary transfer from the pushchair, for example.

 

Now they are talking about digging up areas around the church and a patch of road works adjacent to the building from where she went missing, which apparently were filled in a day or so after her disappearance......I agree it would be the perfect place to dump a corpse....but can you really see either of them doing that?

 

Good grief... will Kate or Gerry have gone out at midnight and buried their child's body with the world's media and the police watching their every move.

 

You would have expected the police to have explored the road workings much sooner than this.......before it was filled in for example.

 

The British police don't always get it right, but I can't help feeling that they would have made a better job of the investigation than the Portugese force.

 

Now they are applying to seize a "major piece of evidence". Why so late in the day? She has been missing for 130 or so days.

 

The investigation is a shambles, and in the absence of a body I am appalled that the search for Madeleine does not seem to be a priority.

 

It seems to me that the Portugese police are eager to get a conviction just to have the case marked as solved....then it won't continue to affect tourism in the area.

[chocchick]

It does seem like a shambles. I'm wondering if it will ever be resolved

[Rhapsody]

Do you think they went to see the Pope to get Absolution?

[susiepoos]

Afamily - I couldn't have put it better myself and I totally agree with you over the sedation.

[The Dogmother]

Good, wise posts Kate and Helen. I'm getting fed up with the press's sensationalism of this.. please leave them alone!

 

An interviewer on radio 4 yesterday was in their home town and interviewing a resident, asking whether they found the mass press attention intrusive... the irony was totally wasted on the interviewer

[Crooked Chicken]

Don't know if anyone watched Sally Morgan Star Psychic (series on TV which finished a few weeks ago). There are those that believe in psychic ability and those that don't. But surely in cases such as this, anthing is worth a try. Couldn't they ship Ms Morgan over to speak to the McCanns?

[The Dogmother]

Thought provoking article in the Mail today....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists.html?in_article_id=481297&in_page_id=1772&in_author_id=323

[Egluntyne]

Apparently the major piece of evidence they want to impound is Kate's diary.

 

Will it read something like this?

 

Dear Diary

 

10am...went to the beach with the children.

 

1pm: Lunch by the pool.

 

3pm Siesta.

 

5pm. Went for a walk in the town.

 

6pm. Children's tea.

 

7pm: Bathed the children and put the children to bed, after giving them all a massive dose of phenergan so that we can have a damed good night out.

 

8pm: Met friends and had a fantastic meal. Kept popping back to check on the children.

 

9.30.pm Found Madeleine dead. Bit of a panic. Dumped her body in the roadworkings outside the apartment, covered it with a bit of rubble, messed the apartment up and made it look as if there had been a burglary. Ran back to friends, pretended to be hysterical and convinced everyone that Madeleine had been abducted.

 

I don't think they suspect a thing.

Good Lord, they are clutching at straws to get a conviction.

[Couperman]

 

Maybe it's time for Derek Accorah to enter the fray. He will be able to make up a much better story than the police.

 

Why do they want to impound her Diary? If she was guilty in any way she's not going to be thick enough to write it down, and even if she did I am pretty sure she would be bright enough to not have a diary any more!

 

They really are struggling aren't they?

 

I loved the interview tactics.

 

*said in Portuguese*

 

'Right, Luv........we don't actually have a scooby doo who did whatever it was......but If you could just help us out a bit....... and confess to doing something like say ........ murder accidentalisico mucho grande then you can have a years free stay in Portugal and everyones a winner, ...eh what do you say luv? and we can go home and watch the footy.

 

What do you mean?... you didn't do it! ah see that suggests that you know what 'it' was in order for you not to have done it... Guilty as I thought. I think I will call you Guido now too! In fact I call your husband Guido too!

 

We think you both did it, but you are free to go! byee!'

 

 

 

I am still hoping against hope that the find Maddie alive and well.

 

Kev.

[Egluntyne]

Ditto to your last sentence Kev.

[fairy&cake]

i used to think theyd done it.

 

But i honestly dont think they have now. The police are putting the blame on them. as they look bad for running a rubbish investigation.

 

Takes the Heat off the police.

 

Love Laura

[craftyhunnypie]

No sorry! I am sticking by my gut feeling - yes they have done it. They didn't mean to, but they have made a huge mistake and thought oh sugar...& tried to deny it & cover it up. It will all come out soon!

They are just not right! YOu do not sedate children, I'm sorry but you just don't. Normal people get on & cope with their children!

 

Emma.x

[Couperman]

Emma,

 

Your gut feelings may prove to be correct but I don't see how the police will ever prove anything given the way they seem to have conducted the enquiry.

 

I hope my gut feelings are right and little Maddie is still alive, but I think your guts may win this one. I hope your are wrong and I am right for once.

 

Kev

[BeckyBoo]

No one really knows what the investigation is like, or what evidence the Portugese have because they sure aren't going to be sharing it with a bunch of hacks waiting to sell papers. There are only two people who know what happened to Maddie, that's Maddie and whoever took her / kiiled her. It might sound awful but I really hope she's not alive, I hope it was some accident or something that was quick, because if she's still alive she will be living in hell. I cannot imagine how my four year old could carry on if she was taken from all of us. I don't know how I could carry on without her or any of my children. I certainly couldn't put my other children with anyone else no matter how important it was to me to keep the publicity up, if I'd truly lost one child in these circumstances I'd never let my others out of my sight. And I for one could never leave my children in an unlocked, (or locked come to that) room in a hotel whilst I went for dinner. There were something like 9 other adults in their party, why didn't they take it in turns to babysit? "Your turn tonight to have all the kids whilst we go out, tomorrow it's my turn" Or use the hotel babysitting service? Why would well educated people think it was better to leave them on their own? What if one of them woke up frightened, or sick, or opened the door and walked out? And how come any "killer" knew to go to that particular room to take that particular child? If Maddie was targetted then it can't have been the first time she'd been left at night, because if it was the first time it was bloomin' lucky for the offender that he managed to find a room with an unattended child in it by pot luck. If they did it then there isn't a punishment in the world that could be called justice, if they didn't then they and their family must be in the worst kind of hell I can ever ever imagine. Poor poor little Maddie, my heart still breaks when I try to think of what might have happened to her and her poor brother and sister. How will they ever cope with what has happened or how it happened, or how close they came to it.

 

There will be no happy ending here, if she's alive and well and is ever found then she will be so damaged by what has happened. Her siblings too, her whole family.

 

But I would also like to second the thought - children go missing across the world every single day, most of them never make the 6 o clock news and lots are never seen of or heard of again and end up in some terrible terrible situations. Just check out some of the third world countries if you don't believe me, but you'll have to look hard because none of the had white middle class GP's as parents. None of them looked like you and me, most of them are "someone elses child"

 

Mrs B