eggybread Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I've just split this from the Anita Roddick thread as it was taking on a life of its own! - Lesley Hi, I took delivery of my eglu a few days ago and have just joined the forum. I read this thread and felt I had to comment. I used to work in the beauty industry, and everyone was aware of what a complete fraud Roddick was. Her whole 'cruelty free' thing was phoney. By law, every cosmetic product has to be tested on animals. If it isn't, you can't sell it. Roddick put labels on her products saying 'we are against animal testing', so people thought they weren't tested on animals. But they were, just like every other cosmetics company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Thanks eggybread I didn't want to be alone in condeming the double standards not to mention selling out to a French cosmetics company 'fraid I can't be doing with the whole double standards alot of people display Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 she wasn't lying, I did a business studies project on her. The policy was that THEY didn't test anything on animals but they couldn't guarantee the ingredients hadn't been tested by others before being allowed to be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cate in NZ Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Not sure about the whole politics/ ethics thing, but she was a pioneer, she alerted people to animal testing issues and recycling/ eco-friendly innovations etc, and quite clearly that helped towards establishing a much greener consciousness within our society. Other companies have moved on from there, and made bigger and better changes, but surely we have to recognise that she was part of the start of it Dreadful news that she's died though, and so suddenly. It's a bit of a strange day for me as 2 of my close work colleagues lost parents yesterday as well, and of course it's the anniversary of 9/11, so I'm having a bit of an intropspective, sad day today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Thanks eggybread I didn't want to be alone in condeming the double standards not to mention selling out to a French cosmetics company 'fraid I can't be doing with the whole double standards alot of people display I'm sort of with Louise on this one - I admire her drive and dedication in sticking to her principles, but refuse to buy her products - they're mostly over-perfumed and contain SLS. Teh L'Oreal thing stuck in my throat a bit too. Stick to the Green People and Faith in Nature now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftyhunnypie Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I used to work for Bodyshop At Home & was proud of what I sold & really inspired by Anita & how she started her company by selling from the boot of her car. But when I found out about the ingredients being tested on animals, it kind of put a dampener on things! But saying that what about all the medicines that we may or my not take on a day to day basis. They are all tested on animals. Would you prefer not to have a cure when you are ill? I think not! So animal testing is a bit of a taboo subject I'm afraid! I did admire her courage, her determination & her views on recycling though. She will be missed. If you want cruelty free stuff, make it yourself! Emma.x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocobo Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I don't buy stuff from body shop- i buy stuff from lush, they don't use any ingredients that have been tested on animals I was suprised to hear she had died though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesley Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Thanks eggybread I didn't want to be alone in condeming the double standards not to mention selling out to a French cosmetics company 'fraid I can't be doing with the whole double standards alot of people display I'm sort of with Louise on this one - I admire her drive and dedication in sticking to her principles, but refuse to buy her products - they're mostly over-perfumed and contain SLS. Teh L'Oreal thing stuck in my throat a bit too. Stick to the Green People and Faith in Nature now. That's what I was referring to early on in the thread - Body Shop used ingredients according to the '5 year rolling' rule - they would use ingredients that had been tested - by someone else - 5 years previously, so BS could say they didn't test on animals..... and if I remember rightly, she took some poor woman to court for saying so, even though it was true? I felt it was a shame because she was way ahead of her time and did such a lot that was good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popcorn Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 By law, every cosmetic product has to be tested on animals. If it isn't, you can't sell it. y. Is this true? I'm shocked at this. I don't understand! Can you explain! If you buy something that says it hasn't been tested on animals, then it's a half truth because the ingredients have? What about Lush? Oh, I'm all confused (and really saddened) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesley Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 All ingredients have, at some time, been tested on animals, albeit some of them were tested a long time ago. Companies like Lush and Beauty Without Cruelty (BWC)etc. use ingredients tested long ago but don't actively promote new testing or use newer ingredients. They also test completed products on humans. BWC and others tend to use a cut off date of something like 1971 whereas some use the 5 year rolling rule and are constantly adding ingredients which were tested 5 years previously by other companies. At least, that's how I understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnieP Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 It lunacy and works both ways. For instance, horse fly repellant now cannot contain citronella, as it has NEVER been officially tested on animals... Despite the fact that it has been USED on animals, as a fly repellant, for donkeys years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesley Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 - so that doesn't count as testing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnieP Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 apparently not I now have to use disgusting stinky garlicy smelling stuff, which is safe for humans, so have no fear.... if you ever wish to use my horse fly repellant, you will be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susiepoos Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 I don't buy stuff from body shop- i buy stuff from lush, they don't use any ingredients that have been tested on animals I was suprised to hear she had died though I always remember going into lush for the first time and seeing a woman picking up several bars of soap to smell them and put them back down again - ugh! how do I know where her hands had been - sorry, just me being a prude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 I always remember going into lush for the first time and seeing a woman picking up several bars of soap to smell them and put them back down again - ugh! how do I know where her hands had been - sorry, just me being a prude I feel the same about supermarket fruit and veg.....not everyone washes their hands after going to the toilet....and some people pick their noses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popcorn Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 It's good for the immune system Eglutine. It's similar to handling money. If we dwelled on it too much though, we really would start packing the kitchen sink! I'm really shocked by the animal testing stuff. It's a complete lie then. You can't actually buy a product that hasn't been tested on animals at some point. I feel really naive now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 The only way to live completely cruelty free is on an at present undiscovered island eating what grows/lives there oh and you need to be naked too No medicines or health products, vaccines or pain killers and get used to having a large family if there are two of you because you can't have any contraception either I am afraid I get very weary of the subject and my biggest pet hate is vegetarians that eat fish especially shellfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popcorn Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 That's confused me Louise? Surely, a vegetarian who eats fish isn't a vegetarian??? I'm not sure I could survive on a desert island like that. No. I am definitely sure I couldn't. Well, I guess you learn something everyday don't you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Partly my point Gina but a surprising number do and say it is because they have to get protein I just don't understand why it is kinder to eat a for example sheep that has been humanely culled rather than a cod that has been hauled out of the sea and left to suffocate Who wants to know what shellfish toxin testing involves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popcorn Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Well, if anybody claims to me to be a vegetarian, but eats fish, I will ask them why they call themselves a vegetarian. I haven't ever come across it myself though. Hmmmm....think I'll pass on the shellfish toxins. I'm still getting over the Not Tested on Animals claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Just don't eat shellfish if you have issues and we will leave it at that or if you are curious google PSP shellfish test but please don't if you are easilly upset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 It's good for the immune system Eglutine. It's similar to handling money. If we dwelled on it too much though, we really would start packing the kitchen sink! If you knew where some prisoners keep their money you might shudder a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhapsody Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 i dont think that using products tested by other companies made AR a hypocrite at all. Those tests have been run already, to use other companies' data is to put your ethics above paranoia about company confidentiality. All other cosmetics companies at the time were running identical testing to protect their recipies from competitors, AR just used products already tested openly exposing her products to copycatting (which happened in spades). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Many of us use ecover poducts and extol their virtues,but whilst they don't actually test, they do use substances which have been tested previously, on a rolling 5 year cycle....so it uses nothing which has been tested in the last 5 years. I can't see anything wrong with that...if the info is there, why not make use of it instead of making a hideous mistake with something which has never been looked at thoroughly. Same gos for Lush and Body Shop as far as I can see. And most of us have to resort to antibiotics and other medication at some point, if not for ourselves, then for our children. Does that make us hypocrites? I don't accept that it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susiepoos Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 I always remember going into lush for the first time and seeing a woman picking up several bars of soap to smell them and put them back down again - ugh! how do I know where her hands had been - sorry, just me being a prude I feel the same about supermarket fruit and veg.....not everyone washes their hands after going to the toilet....and some people pick their noses. Oh please don't get me started - I could rant about this for hours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
