Fur 'n' Feathers Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 If anyone knows of this already - apologies. We hadn't come across it. Went to local country store today to pick up some garlic powder and cider vinegar . Under the counter were boxes of Flubenvet so asked the price. As part of the service the question came up do we intend to give away or sell any of the eggs (yes we do regarding surplus). The man then replied that we needed to know that, if the eggs are given away or sold and not just for our consumption, we must have Flubenvet prescribed by a vet Apparently this is a Government regulation that came in a few years ago. He stated he didn't agree with the regulation, but that it was a regulation all the same. He went on to say that, if we went to our vet and got them to prescibe it (costing a fee + our vet would need to see at least one of the hens but not all of them) then we could take the prescription to the store & he would keep it, dispensing the amount we need each time. We haven't seen anything related to this in anything we've read, either on the forum or on sites that sell it. Felt it important to post this information and to get some feedback from others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 As far as I was aware flubenvet is available without prescription and you do not need to purchase it from your vet. I bought my tub online from the domestic fowl trust I didnt have to tick or sign anything online to do with it either. Lots of online places sell it. Dont know what he's going on about really?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fur 'n' Feathers Posted March 19, 2008 Author Share Posted March 19, 2008 Yes, it is widely available without prescription. The regulation apparently is related to situations where the eggs are going to other people (whether given or sold), stating it then needs to be prescribed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 oh I see, sorry i misunderstood (speed reading again ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyren Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 I bought mine online - there was a notice saying they couldn't sell it to anyone who was selling their eggs, but that was it. I guess if you wanted to be careful you could just not give away eggs laid during the worming period... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fur 'n' Feathers Posted March 19, 2008 Author Share Posted March 19, 2008 Now that's an interesting interpretation to it and no mention of giving them away then How on earth it's expected to work if it's true - how would they monitor it And what would be the purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogs and chickens Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 I brought a tub of flubenvet to use on the girls, have since found out about the above and have now decided to use verm-x instead, plus it's for use by people who want their hens to be organic. They have also done trials which were very affective. So now have a tub of flubenvet to sell, ebay agian! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfrock Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 maybe we just end up secretly worming our friends and colleagues when we are giving them away during the flubenvet period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanchick Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I thought it was one of the ones with "no egg withdrawal required". That's why I chose it over Panacur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 There is no withdrawal period for eggs in the ordinary way.....it is just that regulations re selling to the public alter things........just erring on the side of caution. Is suppose it is to do with informed consent etc.....some customers might prefer not to have them whilst the bird is being treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilda-and-evadne Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 There is no withdrawal period for eggs in the ordinary way.....it is just that regulations re selling to the public alter things........just erring on the side of caution. Is suppose it is to do with informed consent etc.....some customers might prefer not to have them whilst the bird is being treated. The tub of Flubenvet that I bought on-line arrived yesterday and, now that I look closer at it, has a sticker on it saying that it has to be prescribed by a vet. I chose Flubenvet rather than Verm-x because of this thread http://club.omlet.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20733&highlight=worm I am prepared to take the precaution of not selling/giving away any eggs laid during the treatment period. (Not that Hilda or Evadne have laid any yet! But I don't want to neglect worming responsibilities.) By the way, please could I ask, when should I treat Hilda and Evadne - they have been here nearly four weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 It's also in case any unknowing consumers are pregnant or allergic to any of the active ingredients. My vet had told me about this when I was using Flubenvet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chili pepper Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 My vet told me a couple of weeks ago that they could only prescribe me flubenvet if i took one of the chooks to him for a consultation first, what is the point of that? He cant tell just by looking at one hen if they have worms, so why does he need to see one. They said it was not available anywhere including online without a prescription. I went onto the Domestic Fowl Trust and bought a tub with no probs and NO prescription needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tessa the Duchess Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 It's also in case any unknowing consumers are pregnant or allergic to any of the active ingredients. Thank goodness I read this thread, I am just about to start worming with Flubenvet and my son's g.friend is pregnant, so I must warn her not to eat any eggs while worming is in progress. Whew Tessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I can also buy it from my local pharmacy, which has just started stocking vet meds (quite cheaply). It's a hard call really - I had this conversation with my chicken vet not long ago... a lot of chook meds and vets advise egg withdrawal when using products like, say, Eprinex or Flubenvet, but I understand that strictly speaking it's not always necessary to withdraw them, just a precaution. It is, however essential that you stop giving away or selling your eggs while dosing of any sort is going on. For instance, the active ingredient in Eprinex is also used as a human wormer, so is safe for us if ingested. In these cases, the vet is bound by regulations to advise on egg withdrawal, but in the end it is down to personal choice of the user. The best policy is to withdraw eggs regardless of what you are dosing - you can always scramble them and feed them back to the chooks. Lots of vet meds, however, are toxic to humans or can have an adverse effect, so it's best to withdraw eggs as a blanket policy. **Please note that this is just what I have heard and read, not a recommendation at all.** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen&Lee Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 How long would you withdraw the eggs for ? Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 The usual default period is for a week after the last dose, but it's best to check the recommendation for each med. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 That is what my vet told me (then she added that for herself she doesn't bother). She did say that Flubenvet isn't good for humans if ingested directly....but didn't go into detail as we moved on to talking about Eglus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 aaargh - have been using Verm-X, then after reading the sad thread mentioned above, decided to move on to Flubenvet. Now I'm very Ok, I understand that best practice is that you don't give away or sell the eggs during this period. Those who use Flubenvet, can I ask a direct question - do you go on eating the eggs yourselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweety Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I was just about to ask the same question Olly. I too have changed from Verm X to Flubenvet as a result of the thread, and now don't know what to do with the eggs laid during the worming period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Yes...I do. I worm my hens routinely every 3 months. I have never seen any worms, but as they forage mostly on the same patch of ground, I feel it is a sensible precaution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Yes...I do. I worm my hens routinely every 3 months. I have never seen any worms, but as they forage mostly on the same patch of ground, I feel it is a sensible precaution. That exactly goes for me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Chooks Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 The active ingredient is Flubendazole which is a benzimidazole. It is similar to the drug mebendazole which is used in human infestations. As the whole idea is for it to remain in the gastrointestinal tract to eradicate the worms very little of it is absorbed into the rest of the body but the recommendation for mebendazole is that it should not be used when pregnant or in children uhder 2. It should also therefore be not used in those who are breast feeding. http://www.vmd.gov.uk/espcsite/Documents/141098.DOC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzimidazole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Very useful. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilda-and-evadne Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I was just about to ask the same question Olly. I too have changed from Verm X to Flubenvet as a result of the thread, and now don't know what to do with the eggs laid during the worming period. On the tub of Flubenvet I bought from wormers.co.uk, it states in two places (on two separate labels) that eggs don't have to be withdrawn at all during the treatment period. Prolly still a good precaution not to give away or sell those, in case they are eaten by a child under 2 or a pregnant lady. I think I'll risk eating them, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...