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[keyhole kate]

Well said Emma

[Guest]

Staying out of this before I get on my soap box & have posts removed!

I seem to remember a similar post a while back.

I'll just say that we have to accept people from all walks of life & as long as we can communicate with each other, I don't see a problem.

Good grammar, bad grammar, clever people & not so clever people. As long as you get on with them & they are nice people then so what.

 

There I feel better now!

 

Emma.x

 

I don't think there is a problem Emma. I don't equate good grammar with clever people either and I am sorry that this thread has appeared to you somewhat superior. As I said earlier, there are some people who just love language, me being one of them (Is that correct? I feel it might be safer to say "I am one of them" ) It is absolutely nothing to do with feeling better than anyone else.

[The Dogmother]

I couldn't agree more Ginette.

 

My grandmother was Italian, but like you, had a love of language and always insisted on speaking it correctly as she felt that it was respectful to her adopted countryfolk. I only wish the I could remember all her ditties that help you to recall grammatical and spelling rules

 

It's never a case of superiority, just the enjoyment of reading.

[..lay a little egg for me]

I don't think there is a problem Emma. I don't equate good grammar with clever people either and I am sorry that this thread has appeared to you somewhat superior. As I said earlier, there are some people who just love language, me being one of them (Is that correct? I feel it might be safer to say "I am one of them" ) It is absolutely nothing to do with feeling better than anyone else.[/color]

 

I agree, but I do feel it is a shame that many people appear to have missed out on learning some of the rules, such as the use of the apostrophe, or why it is should have (or should've) and not should of etc. It is certainly not their fault, it is the fault of the education system. Language is constantly evolving so, for example, I am no longer too upset by the split infinitive . Or starting a sentence with a conjunction! But other things, like "should of" will always be wrong: after all "should have" is the past tense of "should", so putting "should of" is clearly nonsense!

[Guest]

I was a little put out when one of my postings (on another thread) was edited. I'd used lower case on a 'proper' noun and it was changed to upper case and then pointed out to me (on the thread) that it had been changed and why!

 

That did come across as quite "superior". However, the person that did it I'm sure didn't mean it that way but I'd rather not have my grammar corrected if that's okay?

 

When I did it (to make a point), there was uproar!

 

Peace and love, peace and love!!!! xxxxxxxxx

[Omletina Kyckling]

I remember a similar thread a while ago too and it got quite heated, it started off about not using text speak in postings and then the likes of me got on their soapboxes about bad grammar etc. and others then thought that we were trying to talk down to them or whatever, which was not the point at all!

 

I hate bad grammar, punctuation, spelling etc. but that's just me. I don't think any less of anyone because of it, and I agree that it is really the fault of the education system. I don't remember really being taught very much about the above in English lessons, I only know what I know because I studied German A level and you needed to understand sentence construction to learn German.

 

One thing that really annoys me is when people actually use the wrong word....e.g. I know quite a few people who confuse bought and brought.....i.e. they might say "I brought a new top today"....eh?!!! How did that come about?!

[Cooks]

Personally it doesn't affect or concern me how someones post is written or laid out, as long as I can read it it's ok with me.

 

I have terrible typos so I can't complain, people on here, I believe by now, know why I typo sometimes and undertand which is what a forum of 'friends' is all about isn't it?

[Guest]

I suppose it's mistakes in grammar that mean language changes through the years. Can you imagine if we all still talked like Chaucer!

[Omletina Kyckling]

Quite right Loopy Loo, but I don't think people are really talking about grammar, spelling etc. in posts on here so much as out there in the real world.....I hate to see things on signs/pamphlets etc. which are wrong, as I think they are things which should be right and should be checked.

 

We all sit here and rattle off our messages and I, for one, don't check mine before I press submit, so I'm sure I've put lots of typos etc. on here over time. I don't think anybody is marking us for our grammar or whatever! I hope not anyway!

[keyhole kate]

I am going to stick my neck out here, and I am happy for anyone

to shoot me down, disagree or totally ignore my thinking on this

thread it is after just my opinion.

 

As the thread evolved I think it made some omleteers feel a little

inadequate in regards to there English and writing skills, myself included

If I am being totally honest . Not that I believe for one minute was this

in any way intended. I believe this is evidence by the majority who

chose not to contribute to the thread rather than ruffle any feather

(pardon the pun)

 

For my own part I wish I had a better education, perhaps paid

more attention etc, however I do the best with what I know I

I always use spell check & grammar even on my Omlet postings.

 

I am now stepping of my soap box I make no apologies for any

grammatical errors in this posting as I stated earlier I was not

fortunate to have had a better education in order to know

I was making mistakes I personally do not feel the thread made me

feel in way inferior though I can see how others might.

[Egluntyne]

I'm sure there was never an intention to single any individuals out for particular criticism.

 

Those of us who had grammar and punctuation drummed into us at an early age find it difficult to write differently now, and I for one don't intend to start.

 

I hate to see text-speak written anywhere other than in a text message, the only place where it is appropriate, as far as I can see. It can be difficult to read and is irritating.

 

We all make spelling mistakes and typos of course, especially when typing in a hurry and no-one is immune from this.

[Guest]

...

As the thread evolved I think it made some omleteers feel a little

inadequate in regards to there English and writing skills, myself included

If I am being totally honest ....

 

I think if any 'handicap' (and for some people, reading and writing skills can be a handicap) is held up for ridicule, it can make some people feel uncomfortable.

 

I find a debate about grammar to be extremely interesting but when things like "it really annoys me when..." or "it makes me mad/angry/sic [sic] when..." etc I think that's when topics tread on dodgy ground and can upset people.

 

Just my opinion, for which I've been shot down in flames many a time

[Cinnamon]

I believe this is evidence by the majority who

chose not to contribute to the thread rather than ruffle any feather

(pardon the pun)

 

 

 

But there have been lots of people contributing to this thread - as many as would any other thread.......

You will never get every member adding to every thread - some things just don't appeal in the same way as others

Some will always avoid some topics - I know there are some threads I never go near, like the football ones for example

 

I like this thread.It is thought provoking,interesting & obviously appeals to all those who have made thoughtfull & intelligent contributions

[..lay a little egg for me]

The recent posts on this thread have confirmed my idea that the education system has let some people down. It's not right that people should feel inadequate because they are uncertain about some points of grammar/spelling so we should make more effort to ensure kids understand why the rules of grammar are as they are, but without causing the language to stagnate completely. Like Omletina, I was taught very little grammar at school, but picked it up when I learnt a foreign language (Swedish actually) and by just constantly reading where I think I learnt by osmosis. What worries me is that when my DS was in years 2 & 3 he often brought home reading books in which the characters said things like "me and Peter went to the shops". Well, I know it is trying to reflect how people speak today, but it doesn't help children to learn the correct form of words!

[The Dogmother]

Personally it doesn't affect or concern me how someones post is written or laid out, as long as I can read it it's ok with me.

 

I have terrible typos so I can't complain, people on here, I believe by now, know why I typo sometimes and undertand which is what a forum of 'friends' is all about isn't it?

 

You're not alone Lynsey; I try to avoid posting when I'm tired as my typing comes out looking like Dutch - totally unreadable

[Guest]

What worries me is that when my DS was in years 2 & 3 he often brought home reading books in which the characters said things like "me and Peter went to the shops". Well, I know it is trying to reflect how people speak today, but it doesn't help children to learn the correct form of words!

 

It's exactly that which erodes our language!

Over the summer a man who works with the public said that he had noticed that people don't say "please" any more. When he looked into it further, he found that soaps like Corrie and Eastenders have deliberately dropped the word from their scripts because the public doesn't use it and they want to reflect the real world. Hence no-one hears it and then no-one uses it . . . vicious circle, well actually a downward spiral to nothing at all!

 

Since using 'proper English' does matter in formal situations, it seems to me there is a bit of a problem with these attempts to 'meet people where they are'. On the other hand language can't be totally alien to children when they're trying to learn it. So I'm not sure what the answer is.

[Guest]

I think people shouldn't be ashamed of their own percieved "inadequecies". I am a highly educated "professional" a teacher no less and I know all of the following about myself and do not feel put down by any threads - or even being corrected.

 

I like to read well written text with good grammar. txp spk confuses me 2 much 2 bother with. Things that are written like that make me give up and go elsewhere - see my comments on the funny cats thread. As such I try to write in mostly good English an use proper sentences, with punctuation and I generally even do that when I text. When people use text language I don't think it's because they can't do things properly I think it's because they can't be bothered.

 

I can't spell very well - I rely heavily on spell checkers, this is entirely due to inadequecies in my own education - despite having post gradute qualifications I was part of the great ITA experiment and was initally taught to spell everything incorrectly, leading to a lot of problems later on. Nowdays spell checkers have helped to improve my spelling but some words still come out wrong and although I sometimes can see a mistake I may not know how to correct it. If I see a terrible mistake in someone elses text I might laugh but the laughter isn't cruel.

 

I am totally confused by apostrophes. I greatly admire people who aren't!

 

I use waaaay too many exclamation marks!

 

I get embarrased only by people who say "but you're a teacher how can you get it wrong". I'm not an English teacher - I teach ICT and I do know the correct spelling (in context!) for the word program. Oh and I know that PACIFICALLY is WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!

[Looney]

I like the fact that language evolves and mutates. I also love the fact that there is official and non-official styles of language and regional variations! It would be amusing if it was all still "thou shalt" and olde worlde stuff like that...although of course it wouldn't be olde worlde if we hadn't all moved on a bit...if you see what I mean Confusing myself now!

 

It also amused me to try and learn foreign text-speak when I lived abroad. Please don't ask me to try and remember any now!

 

 

[Egluntyne]

Having re-read the thread carefully, I can see no evidence of anyone being

 

held up for ridicule.

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All I see is a lively and informative exchange of views from people approaching the subject from all angles.

[Looney]

Nor I Egluntine.

 

I personally think that most of us have at some time been ridiculed by people who consider themselves to be superior whether it be in use of language, level of education, general knowledge etc. It is a horrible, belittling (sp?) feeling to be talked down to and I would hate anyone to have interpreted this thread in that way.

[The Dogmother]

I would hate anyone to have interpreted this thread in that way.

 

Me too Loon; I certainly never started it with that intention - it was a joke that Lesley and I have. We both have a bee in our respective bonnets about certain bits of grammar or language, but admit to being totally hopeless at others I always seem to start sentences with 'and' or 'but', and lesley says that she must've been off school on the day that they taught about apostrophes.

 

I posted as a bit of lighthearted fun, and certainly not pointing fingers at any person, or even the forum. Having said that, I do find text speak and text in all upper case difficult to read... and that's with my specs on!

[Guest]

Actually most of the time I feel that I might be ridiculed for worrying about apostrophes and grammar. It is true that most people don't seem bothered about them and I suspect that is another reason why a thread like this takes off: It is so nice to meet other people who worry about the same things!

 

Apostrophes are dead easy and I am happy to help anyone who is confused by them! And I don't mean to sound superior, just enthusiastic!

[Omletina Kyckling]

Apostrophes are dead easy and I am happy to help anyone who is confused by them! And I don't mean to sound superior, just enthusiastic!

 

.......that's what I love about this forum, people who are happy to admit to being enthusiastic about apostrophes!!

 

We could set up a support group....."My name is Omletina and I'm a grammarholic"....

[Ain't Nobody Here]

The Apostrophe Police were at work with me today . At a meeting at school, a document had a heading "IEP's". The art teacher got very incensed and scribbled the errant apostrophe out, bemoaning the use of incorrect punctuation. I agreed but didn't feel so strongly that I'd have obliterated it .

 

She also complained that the Head Teacher used the sentence "If you have any queries, please contact Alan or I." Wrong but perfectly understandable (the sentence, I mean, not the use of bad grammar!)

[..lay a little egg for me]

Apostrophes are dead easy and I am happy to help anyone who is confused by them! And I don't mean to sound superior, just enthusiastic!

 

.......that's what I love about this forum, people who are happy to admit to being enthusiastic about apostrophes!!

 

We could set up a support group....."My name is Omletina and I'm a grammarholic"....

 

 

AA = apostrophes anonymous