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[Guest]

WHY can't they make the damned things illegal????

 

We live in the middle of nowhere - one house either side and one behind. An hour ago the idiot teenager (probably had some mates round) from nextdoor let off three fireworks. Of course it's pointless even doing that in the middle of the afternoon and of course the dog and the chickens were in the garden at the time. Chickens all ran towards my BBQ corner in a panic and the dog shook for half an hour.

 

Frankly I will give him a piece of my mind when I next see him in school - not that he will care as he is the kind of irresponsibly teen that doesn't (and is barely in school). I'm sure he will have been thoroughly told off at home, their horse was in the stable behind that garden too.

 

Yesterday I enjoyed 2 organised (well one was the scouts!) displays. Well publicised and at the time of day when we expect this to happen and can try and keep our pets inside. Our Mille hadn't heard any fireworks except at a distance before this incident - when we went out we left the telly on quite loud so that it would drown out "crumps" which I have to say don't really bother her at a distance - there are weekdays when you hear the distant crump of guns and she isn't fussed. As she wasn't one day when we were walking and there was a shoot at the other end of a field we wandered into.

[Valkyrie]

I find the huge mortar bombs to be very distasteful - particularly at 1 or 2 in the morning. A couple of years ago someone let off a pack of 12 at the end of one of the roads close by - not even in their own garden. Why? To disturb sleeping people for the fun of it. Why they have to make those things I have no idea - they aren't even pretty - just a flash and the explosions that do rock the house. Luckily we haven't had that this year - yet. The smaller cracks have been let off during the daylight, but only a couple. I think there maybe more tonight. The local school do a fantastic display and for a relatively small amount of money it is well worth it rather than remortgage the house for a titchy box with weedy fireworks. Can't beat the sparklers though.

[Guest]

I think what he's doing is illegal...

 

 

In Regulations made under the Fireworks Act 2003, it is also an offence for the under 18s to possess fireworks in a public place and for anyone to let fireworks off during night hours (11pm to 7am). Police also have the power to issue penalty notices for disorder for these offences. Again, the offence attracts the upper tier fine of £80.

 

 

http://www.berr.gov.uk/fireworks/law.htm

 

I'd have a strong word with his parents and if that fails, the police!

 

Prohibition of possession of fireworks by persons below the age of eighteen

4. - (1) Subject to regulation 6 below, no person under the age of eighteen years shall possess an adult firework in a public place.

 

(2) In paragraph (1) above "public place" includes any place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted access, whether on payment or otherwise.

 

 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2004/20041836.htm

 

you're permitted access to your own garden so surely he's got to be breaking some sort of law!?

[Alis girls]

My poor tabby cat disappears, I close the curtains and doors so she cant see them. First Divali, now this and then New year - never ending. We go back to organised displays on 5th Nov only

[Leicester_H]

WHY can't they make the damned things illegal????.

I like pretty fireworks! (sorry)

 

But I think they should ban the sale of those that make more than a certain amount of noise - simples.

 

H

[docsquid]

I also think that firework displays should be licenced on two days of the year only - November 5th and New Year (plus possibly Diwali). That is IT.

 

Any special displays e.g. for London 2012, or the Queen's diamond jubliee, should need a special licence from parliament, not the local authority, to make it difficult to get. Fireworks should only be available to those with an operator's licence, not to the general public.

[Guest]

Don't be sorry - I think fireworks are fine in their place but as they are now sold by every supermarket, corner shop and at the side of pretty much every road the irresponsible use of them is getting worse.

 

You should need a license to buy them. = even for a back garden display, there could be some kind of simple test devised that had to be passed before people could get them.

 

I saw some very pretty and very loud fireworks last night at both displays.

[BeckyBoo]

I'm lucky in that my animals don't seem particularly bothered but I know my Mums cat hates them. I like fireworks but to be honest they're so expensive to buy, and dangerous in the wrong hands that I think you should have to have a licence for them. If you can apply to the council to prove you're buying them for a do at the end of your cul-de-sac like the party my friend had yesterday, or if you're buying them for an organised do like the one we went to last week and are attending again this evening then fine, but there is no real need for anyone to let them off in their gardens and certainly not in the street.

 

I still find it slightly amazing that you can just buy them at Sainsburys!

 

BeckyBoo

[BeckyBoo]

 

You should need a license to buy them. = even for a back garden display, there could be some kind of simple test devised that had to be passed before people could get them.

 

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Great minds think alike!

[Space Chick]

I witnessed a woman having an argument with a shop assistant in Sainsburys as she wanted to buy her fireworks and then do her weekly shop

 

I mean what kind of crazy person wants to wheel explosives around a busy supermarket

 

People that stupid shouldn't be allowed to buy them

 

I also agree it should be organised displays only.

[Christian]

...then you are tarring everyone with the same brush

 

The majority of people are sensible with fireworks. Some aren't You can't license everything.

[bluekarin]

I also think that firework displays should be licenced on two days of the year only - November 5th and New Year (plus possibly Diwali). That is IT.

 

Any special displays e.g. for London 2012, or the Queen's diamond jubliee, should need a special licence from parliament, not the local authority, to make it difficult to get. Fireworks should only be available to those with an operator's licence, not to the general public.

 

I agree - if only events organisers can buy them then we won't have idiots setting them off at all hours. It is much safer, as its almost as if people forget they are playing with gunpowder. My two cats hate the fireworks - they run in the house at the first bang, and try and hide somewhere, usually under the stairs, which is where hubby's office is, so its not the quietest place.

I wouldn't want them banned completely, as I do love fireworks - the big sparkly ones especially. But it would be nice to know when exactly they are going off so we are prepared for it.

[bluekarin]

...then you are tarring everyone with the same brush

 

The majority of people are sensible with fireworks. Some aren't You can't license everything.

 

I think fireworks should be licensed as they are essentially a gun in a cardboard tube. They are extremely dangerous. Even those who are careful and sensible with them, as they can still go off at strange angles when lit.

[docsquid]

...then you are tarring everyone with the same brush

 

The majority of people are sensible with fireworks. Some aren't You can't license everything.

 

Unfortunately having worked in hospitals for many years, it seems like the majority are NOT sensible with fireworks. Fireworks cause a huge amount of injury, some deaths, and a lot more damage to property in terms of fire. They don't just hurt the irresponsible, innocent people are injured or killed too.

 

In this day and age they are simply too dangerous for general public use, and for that reason, I think everybody should be able to enjoy them in safety at properly-licensed displays. It also means that people know when firework displays are going to happen and for those few days can take precautions to make their livestock and pets safe. Fireworks should otherwise be treated as an illegal weapon, because that is what they are (a weapon).

[Leicester_H]

...then you are tarring everyone with the same brush

The majority of people are sensible with fireworks. Some aren't You can't license everything.

Quite - there aren't that many accidents these days. Most are caused by idiots - and usually they injure themselves. Idiots will always fine silly things to do.

Since its the NOISE that people object to and animals dislike - simply ban those that make a deliberate noise.

H

[Goosey Lucy]

I think fireworks are one of the best thing about living here.

 

I have only seem/heard them explode on 5th November.

 

This was at a free 25 minute display in the park in Ramsey. All totally paid for by the town council. Hardly anyone seems to let off their own. It's bliss. I like seeing fireworks but become nervy when 'up close and personal' as it were especially when they can be heard but not seen.

 

The laws here are quite strict and everyone knows everybody else so no one can get away with the anti-social side of bonfire night.

 

I don't mean to sound smug so I'm going to shuffle off and hide again now

[chick wiggle]

Like firearms, explosives and all other incendiary (sp?) devices, in the wrong hands they can be and often are, lethal.

They should have more and stronger restrictions put on them.

[Guest]

Well theres a few more crumps and the dog started barking (although she wasn't shaking like earlier) so I've turned up the telly, its louder than I like but she is lovely and calm.

[majorbloodnock]

Like firearms, explosives and all other incendiary (sp?) devices, in the wrong hands they can be and often are, lethal.

They should have more and stronger restrictions put on them.

 

Exactly the same could (and should) be said about cars; irresponsibly used, they both can and frequently do kill and injure.

 

However, whether cars or fireworks, we don't need more legislation. What we have already covers all the important points. What is needed is better enforcement, but that's a separate issue.

 

Suffice to say, the teenager in the original post of this thread has acted irresponsibly and selfishly because that's his general attitude at the moment. The fireworks merely provided him with a particular focus, but it could just as easily have been catapult target practice on local cats, incendiary experimentation or one of any number of alternative bolshy teenager pursuits. All are legislated for, and proper enforcement could easily stop him being a nuisance. Eventually, it's the person, not his tools, that needs curbing.

[Guest]

Well I do believe some of it is in his upbringing - you should hear the language when they have a row - that CAN'T be good for kids to be in the middle of.

 

As for cars - the father was turning donuts at the top of our drive a couple of months ago and tried to fob mum off with "sorry my foot slipped off the clutch" (he made a ton of noise and smoke at the time). When I saw him the next day he apologised, but then I was standing in the middle of a perfect circle of rubber he had laid down.

 

I just think that there are always irresponsible adults and children but the way these fireworks have become so freely and easily available is a major contributing factor to anti-social behaviour.

[chick wiggle]

Like firearms, explosives and all other incendiary (sp?) devices, in the wrong hands they can be and often are, lethal.

They should have more and stronger restrictions put on them.

 

Exactly the same could (and should) be said about cars; irresponsibly used, they both can and frequently do kill and injure.

 

However, whether cars or fireworks, we don't need more legislation. What we have already covers all the important points. What is needed is better enforcement, but that's a separate issue..

 

Ooo, Im scared now, arguing a point with the Major

But... in order to drive a car, one needs a license only aquired after weeks or months or even years of training! Obviously this does not stop plenty of idiots from driving but it must help .

Ooer, still scared

[majorbloodnock]

Ooo, Im scared now, arguing a point with the Major

But... in order to drive a car, one needs a license only aquired after weeks or months or even years of training! Obviously this does not stop plenty of idiots from driving but it must help .

Ooer, still scared

 

He, he

 

Worry not, CW; it's a discussion, not an argument.

 

You're absolutely right that, in order to use a car, you have to undergo a process of education, and I've no doubt it helps. The salient points for using a firework are somewhat more straightforward than those of road use, but there's still an analogous yearly process of education; generally in the form of adverts and posters.

 

Does the education work? Well, whenever I use the road, I see a majority who're fairly sensible, but few who obey the rules in full and a significant minority who're downright dangerous. Do I see the same with firework use? Yes. What conclusion do I draw from that? That people ignore what they want to ignore unless they think they're likely to suffer by doing so. In short, legislation without teeth is meaningless.

 

Oh, and CW I'm not picking on you; it's just that your post was the most succinct summary of that viewpoint.

[Seagazer]

Well we always go to an organised display and enjoy it. We've not had too many home fireworks go off normally until last night when our next door but one neighbour let off some really loud fireworks. Unfortunately I didn't know if all the cats were in at the time so couldn't shut the cat flap. Cookie had her head poking out as normal when a particularly bad loud one went. It frightened the life out of her and she jumped back in and barked. Then proceeded to follow me everywhere like a limpet.

 

I feel really annoyed with myself that I hadn't shut the cat flap because now I have the horrible feeling she will react every time there are fireworks around. Up until now she has always ignored them. Grrr.

[BeckyBoo]

from an Old Bill point of view (again! ) when you see how many people use them irresponsibly and how many calls we get for about a two week period (and read in the news about them being stuffed through letterboxes with devastating results) I'm afraid I do think they should be licensed. Yes, it will penalise the majority who aren't irresponsible, but we had at least three incidences of fireworks through letterboxes or left to go by peoples front doors causing damage, you just can't take the risk, and thats just the ones that were reported. I'm not saying it should be only "big" displays, you should be able to get a temporary licence for your garden display, like if you run and event and have to have a temporary bar licence. That way there would be a record of who bought them and when and what for

 

BeckyBoo

[Guest]

Exactly my thinking BeckyBoo - if there were just an extra "hoop" to jump through it would stop a lot of the random stuff. Backyard displays are all well and good (apart from scaring all of our pets) but half a dozen noise fireworks is hardly a display!

 

Trouble is an awful lot of retailers are now making an awful lot of money out of this. They never used to all be allowed to sell fireworks and perhaps the selling laws should never have been relaxed in this way.