tom123 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) * * * * * THIS IS AN OLD POST AND HAS BEEN BUMPED TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THE EFFECT OF RED MITE AND AS A REMINDER * * * * * Help me please, I am sat here in tears as I have just found milly dead. Poppy was dead yesterday morning now milly. Molly and Lucy do not look good either, just sat there in the run not eating or doing anything What is wrong? They have been wormed last month with verm-x, they have battles in their water, they stopped laying when the rain started a few days ago and now they're dying Please help me Tom Edited May 20, 2010 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chook n Boo Mum Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Sweetheart, I can't help with advice, except the usual of can you bring them inside somewhere warm & see if that helps...could they have got a chill when it was raining? I hope somebody more knowledgeable comes along soon, but {{{huge hugs}}} from me in the meantime, Sha x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Tom, thanks for the PM to bring me here. I'd need more symptoms to go on Hon, but the best thing it to get them to the vet as it sounds contagious. Can you give me any symptoms? Comb colour, are they thin, droppings....eating or not....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom123 Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 Thanks guys. They are just standing around or sitting down, not eating or drinking, poo is watery and shoots out. Comb is pale red. They aren't thin but not plump as they normally are. Can't get them to a vet until tomorrow as mum and dad away, just my nan here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweety Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 So sorryto read this, Tom. Have you got a friend who could drive you to the vet? Or do you know any local Forum members who might be able to help? If all else fails, could you phone the vet and explain your situation and ask for their advice? Wish I lived nearer to you, I would take them myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 That doesn't sound good at all Tom. Do you have any Bokashi Bran and/or Avipro? Pop Avipro in the water and feed them Bokashi Barn mixed with live yoghurt, this wil help with the symptoms, but it sounds like they need antibiotics pronto. Does the vet do call-outs? It'd be more expensive, but might save them. Without seeing them, it's hard to put my finger on it, but it could be coccidiosis or rotavirus. My guess is that with all this wet, they've picked somethig up from wild bird faeces Take a poo sample to the vet with you when you go. A big hug for you Tom, and I hope that the others don't succumb. If you have time, then clean out all their housing and feeders and disinfect with Barrier V1 disinfectant or Virkon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom123 Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 I dont have avipro but will try and get them to eat some bran in with yogurt. could it be infectious? Will try and ring the vets Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaireG Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Oh Tom Sorry i can't add to the advice, just wanted to say how sorry i am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Hi Tom, I am so sorry to hear your news. I can only advise keeping a poo sample keeping them warm and hydrated and to contact the vet. It does sound like it could be something infectious. Unfortunately with this awful weather the bugs are having a field day. Do you worm them with anything other than Verm-x out of interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom123 Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 No just verm-x. I have heard it is not very good though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chick wiggle Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Oh hun, I'm in tears for you, could you possibly get to the vets via taxi? Im sending all my hopes and best wishes to you and your chooks. *big hugs* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 No just verm-x. I have heard it is not very good though That's true - they need Flubenvet or a vet prescribed wormer like Panacur (not licenced for use on poultry in the UK). They would need worming, but I wouldn't do it if they are poorly; it would be too much for them. The Bokashi Bran might help bung up their bums a bit, but it does sound like you need urgent vet help. Two deaths so close together makes it likely that it is infectious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Verm-X is not a medicinal product but a 'complementary herbal feedstuff ' . I don't rate it and would advise conventional worming. Effective worming for free range chooks is essential to their health. Worms may be completely unrelated to your problems and I am not sure they sound well enough to start treatment on Flubenvet - you would have a better idea as to how well they are. If it isn't worm related stressing their systems with additional medication would not perhaps be the best way forward. Keep that poo sample though as it will give you an indication as to their worm status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom123 Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 Well I have brought Molly and Lucy inside in separate pet carriers with bran and yogurt and water with battles in. However sadly, Molly passed away a few minutes after this. Now I'm left with lucy in a pet carrier on the way out. I don't think there is anything I can do now except keep the others safe. I will order some flubenvent and worm all the others and dose them up with poultry spice/battles/bran etc. and hope for the best. I hope this doesn't sound horrible but is it OK to just leave Lucy? I have tried to syringe water into her but she spat it out. She doesn't look as if she is in pain. Thanks for all your lovely comments Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Just keep her warm and with water and feed. I'd try to syringe feed her some water with Avipro, but if it distresses her, then best leave it alone. If the others are healthy, then worm them and disinfect the housing and feeders. TBH, Battles isn't a brilliant tonic, but it's better than nowt. Se if you can get some Avipro from the vet when you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweety Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Oh dear Tom. Poor Molly. I'm not sure that there is anything you can do for poor Lucy, other than try to keep her comfortable. I would still phone your vet and explain what has happened, as your other hens may need treatment as a precaution. As Claret has said, I would also clean out all your housing etc to be on the safe side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitchHazel Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Tom, so sorry to hear about your girls! Did you get to the vet at all? If nothing else , it might be worth sending some poo off to be analysed. There is a company which does it through the post, seen it on other posts but don't remember the name...someone who does will be along soon, I'm sure. <> to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Sorry to read in your pm and on the forum that you are having such a hideous time. I can only echo what the others have said about taking Lucy to the vet, keeping her warm, comfortable and hydrated in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Your deaths could be caused by sonething like an infection of some sorts but if you do get a sample of poo tested and it comes back positive for worms please let me know and I will put you in touch with someone who may be interested. For all chook owners I wouldn't advise replacing convential wormers with Verm-x it is not a medicinal product but a 'complementary herbal feedstuff'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffordmum Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Oh Tom, my heart goes out to you. I am currently dealing with poorly chickens and doing everything I know how to. Have been using Verm-x too and now wonder, having read the replies posted, if I should've been using Flubenvet instead You must be beside yourself and am so sorry there's nothing we can do to help. Keep us posted ... Every blessing, Pat & Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Tom pm me your address and I'll put some avipro in post for you you'll get it tomorrow morning. Cheapest place I found online is Viovet http://www.viovet.co.uk/p3676/Avipro_Plus_-_100g/product_info.html + £1 p&p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Oh Tom, my heart goes out to you. Have been using Verm-x too and now wonder, having read the replies posted, if I should've been using Flubenvet instead I would advise changing ASAP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggy-Bread Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Poor Tom, how awful for you. I know exactly how you're feeling. If your local vet won't (can't) take a poo sample try http://www.retfordpoultry.co.uk. I was given this info just recently whilst fighting for Ingrid's life. Good luck (edit by Sheila....amending link.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitchHazel Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Thanks Eggy - Retfords, that's the one I was thinking of! Here's the link (there is a typo in the original) http://www.retfordpoultry.co.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMO Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Hi Tom So sorry to hear you having such a horrid time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
