Martin B Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 If there is an EU ban will big companies import their eggs from places like Thailand or Brazil or would there be legislation stopping this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ain't Nobody Here Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Looking forward with interest to the next 2 instalments (although I suspect they'll be hard to watch ). My mum (in her 80s so no changing her ways ) asked me to get a cooked chicken for her and my dad - I asked the lady at Sainsburys if it was free-range "oh no", she said. "It couldn't be free-range at that price." Silly question . I bought some Scottish free-range chicken breasts & made a point of not buying biscuits or crisps so was no worse off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clash City Rocker Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I've just read this thread from page 1, some of the comments are not a good advert for this message board. In the seven pages the following groups of people have been targets for abuse/riddicule for not buying free range chicken. People who can afford crocs, Single parent families with "gadgets" People with Sky TV Council estate residents People with fags in their pockets Hard up people on council estates who are obese. not the most pleasant reading and I'm guessing more of this to follow later. I wonder wether these are the views of all 3057 registered users? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I'm finding this thread quite upsetting - not the stuff about the chickens, but the comments about the people on the programme. We've only seen one of three episodes anyway - who knows whether this will change their views? Surely this is about the chickens and the supermarkets, as much as about the people on the Millwey Estate (who are only a small proportion of those in Axminster). It's easy for those of us with good education, family support and other resources to criticise these people for (apparently) spending their money on satellite dishes, (not that we know they have this), on cigarettes and so on. Oh yes - and for being fat, which sadly is not a sin restricted to those on low incomes. I used to work in a very poor area of a large city, and the people I worked with were almost exclusively on benefits and living in council housing. It's not an easy life, there is very little for extras. Maybe Hayley could afford organic chicken if she gave up her cigarettes or her Sky TV (if she has it), but I don't suppose that her children would appreciate the change. Most of my clients struggled to find enough for clothing, presents and outings on top of paying the bills and rent. Few of them had the knowledge or skill to cook more than basic meals, one house I visited didn't even possess saucepans. I'm not condoning battery farming at all, I abhor it - but there is a huge education process that's also needed here. Pressure needs to be put on the supermarkets to stop buying and selling broiler and battery chicken, but if they do it will leave poor families with a lot less choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesley Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I think we're all entitled to an opinion and if more of the 3057 registered members want to have their say then it is an open topic.......... At least one of those comment can be attributed to me and I stand by every word I've said. I could also back up my comments to a high level - but I don't feel the need to do so. I think the comment are fairly restrained compared to what has been said on other forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesley Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I'm finding this thread quite upsetting - not the stuff about the chickens, but the comments about the people on the programme. I used to work in a very poor area of a large city, and the people I worked with were almost exclusively on benefits and living in council housing. It's not an easy life, there is very little for extras. Maybe Hayley could afford organic chicken if she gave up her cigarettes or her Sky TV (if she has it), but I don't suppose that her children would appreciate the change. Most of my clients struggled to find enough for clothing, presents and outings on top of paying the bills and rent. Few of them had the knowledge or skill to cook more than basic meals, one house I visited didn't even possess saucepans. . I've had to live on benefits - for quite some time. As I said in my reply to CCL (which missed its slot and ended up after yours Olly) I stand by the comments I've made. I spoke to me grown up son quite a bit today about the way we had to live at that time and he was in agreement over the choices people make. It isn't easy living on benefits but it is easier now than it was when I had to claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 (edited) ditto Lesley (to the first of two posts I took a while typing and havent read the 2nd one yet) I will take for example the Hard up people on council estates who are obese. thing. I dont care if people are obese or not. Well I do if its people I care about as its not great for the health but thats by the by. The point was that if you have enough money to get obese (the vast majority it will be too much food(/bad diet) not a health problem causing it) then you cannot then complain that it is beyond your means to buy better quality food. HV visitors give out info on healthy food, a lot of schools teach about healthy (though sadly dont always provide it) theres hundreds of food shows on tv as well as shows showing you how to shop sensibly. Theres the internet, the library (which is free) and even free magazines in a lot of supermarkets. there is no excuse not to know about good food! Edited January 8, 2008 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I do agree it's a matter of choices, but experience tells me that many people in that situation will lack the confidence or knowledge to make those choices. I grew up in a home where there wasn't much money, but my mum (having lived through the war and on rations) was brilliant at making good, healthy food cheaply. Sadly many people these days lack those skills, and schools don't seem to teach basic cookery. Anyway, having said that I'd like the debate to focus back on the supermarket/welfare issue, I will get off my soapbox! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesley Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I think I ought to get off my soapbox as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 There's a problem with the speed of posting on here, isn't there - I suspect you were applauding Bronze, not me, Claret! I will bow gracefully anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I didnt need one I'm tall enough without not sure who Clare was clapping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 ahhh crossposting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeckyBoo Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I think Jamie Oliver proved with his school dinners thing that it doesn't have to cost a fortune to eat better, but I do think it's harder work even if only through having to plan meals weekly to ensure you get the best and most out of every food item you buy. Maybe that shouldn't be hard work but for me who is a scatter-brained butterfly mind half the time,( when I'm not posting on here instead of washing up the kids things and getting our tea ready) that it doesn't come naturally to me at all! Mrs Bertie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I didnt need one I'm tall enough without not sure who Clare was clapping You and Lesley..... and Olly too... anyone willing to stand up for their beliefs really. Can I have your spare soapbox please Bron - I'm a shorty?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clash City Rocker Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 ditto Lesley (to the first of two posts I took a while typing and havent read the 2nd one yet) I will take for example the Hard up people on council estates who are obese. thing. I dont care if people are obese or not. Well I do if its people I care about as its not great for the health but thats by the by. The point was that if you have enough money to get obese (the vast majority it will be too much food(/bad diet) not a health problem causing it) then you cannot then complain that it is beyond your means to buy better quality food. HV visitors give out info on healthy food, a lot of schools teach about healthy (though sadly dont always provide it) theres hundreds of food shows on tv as well as shows showing you how to shop sensibly. Theres the internet, the library (which is free) and even free magazines in a lot of supermarkets. there is no excuse not to know about good food! The point of the TV exercise with the people from the estate is about Teaching, showing the residents how to provide better Quality food within their means and in a better envoronment for the chickens . This point seems to be missing from this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 In the seven pages the following groups of people have been targets for abuse/riddicule Clash, I dont mean to be funny so please dont take this the wrong way but I have posted in this thread and the comments do not start from page one, this thread is 8 pages long and the comments you are referring to are in the latter stages of the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clash City Rocker Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 No problem Chelsea, The way I see it is the residents of the estate have spent time and effort probably without payment to create an experiment regarding chicken keeping and shopping habits for a TV show and for this they are being riddiculed as obese, croc wearing good for nothings for volunteering to help, before veiwers see how the series of 3 programmes finishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 (edited) There are always two sides to any argument and that will always cause tension. I am sure that "Ooops, word censored!"ody on here is intentionally trying to cause problems, but as has been said so many times, the written word is difficult to interpret without the nuances of speech. Statements are made and people are entitled to their opinion. Whether we agree or not. That's life. The next installment is on in 50 minutes! In two minds as to whether or not to watch. Think it will be a bit more gruesome than yesterdays programme. Edited January 8, 2008 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janty Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I too stand by my comments. I was actually having a go at a member of my family if you look back at my post but it is nothing that I have not already said to her face. She constantly bleats on at me saying that she has no money and that I am lucky to have a good job. I'm sorry but we both had a similar upbringing, both had the same sort of chances in life....she chose not to work and is now living with the consequences. Life is about choices and I realise that not everybody has the educational or family background to enable them to make these choices but some people squander their oportunities and then blame everybody but themselves because that is the easier option. I come from a normal working class background. My family weren't posh or privilidged but they expected me to tow the line and work damn hard at school. These are the same values that I hope that I am encouraging in my own child now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I didn't set out to ridicule anyone. I'm not into taking the mickey out of people for being obese (not sure where croc wearing came into it). I did get riled on the other hand about the hypocrisy of them saying they couldnt afford it when there were obvious markers such as the obesity and cigarettes that showed that they could in fact have afforded it. It is good that these people are being taught but very worrying that its taking a big name to hands on show them how to eat healthily. I wonder if Hugh and Jamie have time to go around showing everyone in Britain?. Of course this is all based on what I know so far as is every single decision /opinion any of us make in our lives and will be interested to see how things change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janty Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Is this topic developing quickly or is my typing that slow? I started my last reply after reading the end of page 7 and by the time I had posted I was half way down page 8. I do agree that the residents were game giving up their time and it was lovely to see so many people getting involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftyhunnypie Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Whatever I say & type here comes from my heart & what I truly believe. I don't change the way I say things just to make them look correct on the forum. That's what a forum is about...a voicing of opinions - obviously without abuse & direct victimisation etc etc. But I can honestly say, that I'm not always right by what I write here, but never take offence. What you read from me, is what you get! I don't think those people on the allotment are getting paid are they. The bit I didn't agree with was how Hugh presumed that the allotment people would pay for their own shed. Bit naughty of him I thought! Anyway in the end, he agreed to buy them one - hopefully, they will get it in tonights episode??! Looking forward to watching it later - we have recorded it. Got a feeling there will be some yukky slaughter filming tonight! Emma.x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Got a feeling there will be some yukky slaughter filming tonight! Emma.x yeah me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Got a feeling there will be some yukky slaughter filming tonight! Emma.x yeah me too im not watching, I can get all the info about the program on here without having to see those poor chooks being killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
