Warm boot recommendations please

[Jules.]

You can have some of my weight, if you like!

[Lesley]

and mine

 

Not all vegetarians are thin Gallina - you've met me (and that was just about before I started eating home produced meat)

 

I've never had to take supplements either and am part of the Epic study which started in 1993 to monitor the effects of eating a vegetarian diet. If people follow its principles properly, there should not be a need to supplement.

 

However, a lot of people think it just involves cutting out meat and they are the ones who look/are/may be unhealthy.

 

I don't believe personally, that we need meat to survive and just becasue Man started off as a hunter gatherer does not mean that we all need to eat meat. Perhaps it just doesn't suit some people to eat meat in the same way that it doesn't always suit people to not eat it?

 

As for putting on weight........ hmmmmm i only seem to know the unhealthy ways - I eat too much butter and chocolate, both vegetarian but not exactly healthy

[Milly]

I can see both sides of the story - I know "vegetarians" who have said their new year resolution was to eat more vegetables. Which suggests to me they maybe don't all have very healthy diets. But we used to go to a vegetarian Indian restaurant in Edinburgh whose symbol was an elephant - to show that a vegetarian diet can support some very large beasts!

 

I enjoy eating meat - I enjoy eating most things. But I do try to ensure that is is from animals that have been well cared for.The more you find out about the terrible things that are done in the name of cheap food the more careful you have to be. And having found one of our hens eating a shrew yesterday, I don't think they would be too worried about us eating chicken.

[theherd123]

I don't believe personally, that we need meat to survive

 

I totally agree. (Not that im a bias vegetarian of course!)

 

I have been a vegetarian since i was 16. I didnt really like the thought of eating meat as a child but as i came from a traditional northern family who ate 'meat & two veg' at every mealtime, meat of some sort was always on the menu every night much to my disappointment.

 

As i child I can vividly remember sitting at the table for nearly an hour chewing on the same piece of meat desperate not to swallow it but i was told i had too if i wanted to go out - my saviour came when my brother let the dog in and i gave it to him instead!

 

When i left home i made a choice to be vegetarian and have been ever since. I have never taken any additional dietary suppliments and i am very rarely ill. Yes i am pale but that is due to fair hair & light skin & freckles - just like my mum who is a meat eater, genetics rather than diet.

 

I dont believe in killing animals for food (on a number of grounds too numerous to mention in this post) however the fact is people will always eat meat. So if you can rear & kill your own knowing that the animal has had a good quality of life, been treated well and fed on wholesome food then fair play to you.

I understand not everyone can do this but the welfare issues of where the meat has come from must surely cross your mind before you buy it?

[pinkkat]

So, vegans look like we're dying and are too thin, yet Gallina eats meat, and is too thin...... hmmm. Spot the inconsistency, anyone?

 

I am all for celebrating our differences, thank goodness we're not all alike. I am all for a full and frank discussion, or even argument, as long as it is respectfully expressed.

 

Gallina, can your GP refer you to a dietician? My brother has trouble keeping a healthy weight, and he was recommended some sort of supplement - milkshake - thingy (not the technical term), but I'm not sure which one. He also does light weight training to convert his nutrients in to useful tissue bulk rather than fat. Or something.

 

I am in the fat end of the gene pool in our family . Unfortunately, original Pringles are vegan!

[Charlottechicken]

Despite forcing down meat, I am still underweight and constantly being told to put on weight myself! If anyone (vegetarian or not) can give advice on how to put on weight enjoyably and healthily, I would love it.

 

The rather unhelpful (as it seemed at the time) advice I was given by my doctor was to eat more. As a previously super skinny person (7 stone from age 12 to 28ish) I would say look honestly at your portion sizes and make sure you are always eating and drinking enough.

 

I am a meat eater and the thing that annoys me about some fellow meat eaters is the emphasis on quantity. I don't think meat should be eaten at every meal, I believe portions are too large and there are too many takeaways (near me anyway) offering low price, low quality meat disguised in sauces. I don't eat meat every day, sometimes only a couple of times a week, and then portions are no more than 4 oz in size. I believe that we should eat meat but once an animal has been killed then nothing should be wasted. I like the old saying that the only thing you can't use on a pig is his squeak.

 

I don't eat out because I cannot guarantee the hygene of the people who work in restaurants and takeaways, and a lot of these places use halal meat which I wouldn't eat anyway.

 

As an omnivore, meat is a part of my diet, and always will be.

[Gallina]

This is a silly argument. All I said was that the vegetarians whom I happen to know are very thin. I am afraid this is a fact, but I probably don't know enough vegetarians (and some of the plump people I know could be vegetarians but don't shout about it).

 

I don't drink alcohol because I firmly believe it is very bad for people, particularly women. If anyone says that all the people they know who don't drink are very thin, I won't take offence in the slightest!

 

I eat vast amounts of food: at least eight slices of bread a day, and loads of potatoes or chips. I don't trust my doctor for advice: when I went there with a broken collarbone I was told to go and buy a sling and come back in a week if it still hurt (despite the fact that I had a completely unusable arm).

[Cinnamon]

I think its often hard to say things in type without sounding a bit strident sometimes, as no one can hear the tone you are saying it in

I am sure no offence has been meant, but can see how it may have been caused.

 

Its important to express your views & also to let others know if something they have said has offended you, but I think we should probably finish this exchange now & keep the forum a happy,smiley place

[Nicola H]

Well said Sarah, I think people are just expressing a view rather than having an argument............

[Couperman]

I think its often hard to say things in type without sounding a bit strident sometimes, as no one can hear the tone you are saying it in

 

 

I did an e-mail etiquette course, which highlighted how easy it is to be rude by accident when typing a message.

 

One thing the course emphasised was that you should never type emails in capital letters as it is akin to SHOUTING!

 

You should always be aware that a light hearted comment can easily be seen as a nasty poke in the eye. I don't think anyone on here would deliberately trying to upset anyone.

 

As for putting on weight I would try lettuce, I have seen loads of oversize types eating it! That was a lighthearted joke to emphasize my point! Sorry if I offended.

 

Kev.

[Lesley]

Now you really are asking for a poke in the eye

[Cinnamon]

Oh Kev, you are a wag

[Popcorn]

 

One thing the course emphasised was that you should never type emails in capital letters as it is akin to SHOUTING!

 

Kev,

 

I've just done a 'making feedback meaningful' course at work. We were all given three different types of feedback from various Lecturers and were asked to comment on it.

 

One of the pieces of feedback was all written in capital letters. The content became almost irrelevant as the majority of us only commented on how the capital letters SHOUTED the feedback right back at you! Anything positive was lost in the type.

 

Anyway - I digress....

 

I was a vegetarian for 10 years. Mainly because I didn't agree with how animals were reared for their meat. I now eat meat, but I only eat meat at home where I am sure of it's upbringing and where i buy it from. I never eat meat out. I supplimented my diet as a vegetarian and I do now as a meat eater.

 

I never buy products that test on animals, nor do i support charities such as Cancer Research (Race for Life) that test on animals.

 

Sorry - did I digress again....

[Lesley]

Yes Gina

 

The question was 'do you still eat chicken?'

 

I think we all digressed somewhat

[Popcorn]

The question was 'do you still eat chicken?'

 

I do

[bronze]

I find this interesting as I think all the people on here keep chickens. And for us to all have females there must have been males that have presumably died.

loads more to say but it'll have to wait

[Paola]

I find this interesting as I think all the people on here keep chickens. And for us to all have females there must have been males that have presumably died.

loads more to say but it'll have to wait

 

Good point

[Edgeman]

A most intresting string so farr...

 

As Edgewife has prevously said I am more concerned about my meat supply recently and I now only really eat pork that I can get from our local farm shop. I can walk there and see the pigs, so theres a direct link in the food chain there, Although I'm not the one pulling the trigger of course.

 

I did two weeks work experience on a farm when I was 16 this was an eye opener particularly when we had to put a cow 'down' and take it to the abattoir. At the time I didnt think much about it but I can still see the images like they were yesterday. I do think we eat too much meat...

 

I do like Quorn. I think its rather tasty. I was intrested to find out that the micro-fungi was found in field down south in the 60s and was being developed by scientists as a protein rich food to feed the population crisis.

 

I dont think that early man would have eaten meat everyday as there was no Tesco express on the african savannah. I think animal life is now too cheap.

 

Make room for the Mushroom !

[Paola]

I do like Quorn. I think its rather tasty. I was intrested to find out that the micro-fungi was found in field down south in the 60s and was being developed by scientists as a protein rich food to feed the population crisis.

 

I dont think that early man would have eaten meat everyday as there was no Tesco express on the african savannah. I think animal life is now too cheap.

 

Make room for the Mushroom !

 

I love Quorn also and it is very good for you but I have had to stop buying it because it gives OH terrible wind

[Egluntyne]

I do like Quorn. I think its rather tasty. I was intrested to find out that the micro-fungi was found in field down south in the 60s and was being developed by scientists as a protein rich food to feed the population crisis.

 

I dont think that early man would have eaten meat everyday as there was no Tesco express on the african savannah. I think animal life is now too cheap.

 

Make room for the Mushroom !

 

I love Quorn also and it is very good for you but I have had to stop buying it because it gives OH terrible wind

 

There was another quorn related chat recently.

 

Several of us admitted that it made us very ill. I would consider wind to be a very mild symptom.

 

[Chickaboo]

I can't cook a whole one, or legs. But I do eat breast. We call it white meat though! and its only the best organic etc etc

[Olly]

Like others on here I was veggie for quite a while (8 years) - but I missed meat; whatever you eat, it's all about balance and making sure you are getting enough protein. (I'm in the Epic study as well). Interestingly, I had no problems giving blood when I was vegetarian, but after I started eating meat I kept being rejected for being anaemic!

 

It's absolutely right though that stone-age man didn't eat meat every day - in fact nor did anyone (except the very rich) until the last century, just about. Poor people have always eaten a mainly vegetarian diet with meat as a weekly (or less often) treat.

 

I will only eat meat that's from an ethically-reared source (not always organic, if there's a local non-organic supplier). And yes, I do still eat chicken!

[kannie]

We eat meat but not every day, and choose it carefully. Mostly lamb - as it has to be outdoor reared - preferably organic and not from the other side of the world. Chicken has always been my favourite meat, but now we only get organic . Pork has to be free-range.

 

When eating out I usually avoid meat. Sometimes I make a point of asking about the provenance of their chicken, not particularly because I fancy eating it, but just because I want to make a point of refusing it when they tell me its not organic or free range! The waiting staff often have to go back to the kitchen to find out, too - I'm much more impressed if they already know.

 

I wouldn't check it out in a friend or relative's home though... just tuck in

[xChicken04x]

we are getting chickens in a few weeks but iam allready finding it difficult to eat chickens, its like eating your pet cat or dog!!!

[jsbates65]

Hey all. . .I'm the one who started this one. . .and am just now getting to read all of the replies. Thanks to everyone for your thoughts. I've been crazy busy lately so haven't had a chance to be on the forum much. . .but still very involved with my chickens!

 

I do have busy periods where I depend too much on pasta for my meals, but for the most part I am a healthy vegetarian. In the US it has become much easier to find meat alternatives which are good when you are in a hurry, but I still try to do whole foods. Thai food & Lebanese food like falalfel are some favorites of mine.

 

I have not eaten eggs for the last 10 years or so either (for ethical reasons). . .so having my girls will allow me to add eggs back into my diet. I'm excited because it is a complete protein. . .and as a vegetarian you do have to educate yourself on ways to get enough protein, etc. So having these gifts from my girls will allow me to enoy eggs again without any guilt.

 

And Clarisse just laid her first egg!!!! I really wasn't expecting any eggs until the 1st part of August, but I have got two small eggs and I'm pretty sure it is Clarisse as I caught her sitting in the nest. Also VERY proud that my girls have gotten out of the habit of pooing in the nest area. So the shredded paper stays dry & clean for their eggs. They are so smart.

 

Today the guy next door was being very noisy with power clippers so I let them come inside. . .it is also very hot right now. . .they are just so fun. And I only had to clean up one poo. . .and they were inside enjoying the air conditioning for about an hour! That is some sort of record for my poo-machines!!!!

 

THANKS again all. A few years ago I went to England. . .it has got to be one of the coolest places on the earth. One of my favorite moments in my life is stepping out of a pub in Canterbury. . .it was raining lightly & night and my friend and I were laughing and turned on the cobblestone street and there was Canterbury Cathedral. My friend who is a huge English history buff just started crying. It was just a beautiful moment.

 

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