gavclojak Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Sorry guys buy I'm on my soapbox again!! I once again read of the horrors some animals suffer at the hands of psycopath's who have been working in abattois again. Sky did an undercover report. I have not seen it as I can't watch it but I am assured its horrific. I'm sure not everyone who works in these places are crazy but why would you want to torture an animal that is terrified and about to be slaughtered....the mind boggles, I think the ones in this expose are repressed men that cannot form personal relationships with women if you get my drift......I could actually commit murder..... Please help by signing the e-petition if you could, if there were CCTV a in these places then there might be accountability, maybe spot checks by DEFRA or an overseeing body....something has to change in our food chain.....so sorry for the early rant I hope the link works ihttp://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/64997 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovychook Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I've signed it. Thanks for the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken shack Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I had already signed. Like you I am unable to watch the mindless vidio. these people are pure evil. I'm a vegetarian and wish I could make the leap to become a vegan. This sort of thing upsets me greatly and is one of the reasons I keep and rescue chickens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavclojak Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 I had already signed. Like you I am unable to watch the mindless vidio. these people are pure evil. I'm a vegetarian and wish I could make the leap to become a vegan. This sort of thing upsets me greatly and is one of the reasons I keep and rescue chickens. I'm a veggie too, more for the fact I just don't like meat, if I did like the taste I would eat it but I would make sure it was ethically sourced. my daughter is vegan and I have to say kudos to her as its damn hard work!! OH is a big meat eater but we do have 3-4 days of meat free dinners a week for him and half the time he doesn't even realise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken shack Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I had already signed. Like you I am unable to watch the mindless vidio. these people are pure evil. I'm a vegetarian and wish I could make the leap to become a vegan. This sort of thing upsets me greatly and is one of the reasons I keep and rescue chickens. I'm a veggie too, more for the fact I just don't like meat, if I did like the taste I would eat it but I would make sure it was ethically sourced. my daughter is vegan and I have to say kudos to her as its damn hard work!! OH is a big meat eater but we do have 3-4 days of meat free dinners a week for him and half the time he doesn't even realise I also don't like meat and ate very little when I did. When I was pregnant I couldn't stomach it or baked beans. I've been a veggie now for 25 years. My DS loves meat but still hates baked beans. Both DS and DH have meat and I have a veggie alternative or just eat the veg. Cudos to your DD. Sunday I was at a function where everyone bought a dish I put what I thought was pasta salad on my plate and when I put it in my mouth it was fish. It turned out to be anchovies. I didn't know what to do, I couldn't swallow it or even talk. My freind of nearly 20 had never seen me act like this as providing it's veggie I'll eat anything. I was able to use a napkin to remove. I really didn't know I would react this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess1merlin Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Signed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavenders_Blue Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Horrible, just horrible. I can't understand why there isn't CCTV in abbatoirs already. I'm also a veggie who keeps thinking about making the leap to veganism - well at least going dairy free, I couldn't stop eating my girls' eggs. I really should just get on and do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angie Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 All signed. My meats come from my local farmer , legally and humanely slaughtered , and well cared for. I can't bear the thought of eating Hilal sourced meats. Not after living in the gulf for 12 years and knowing how they treat their animals there or slaughter them. I used to buy the more expensive sealed European / Irish beef, marked Not Hilal , it was as expensive as buying Pork for my OH. Needless to say I used to eat more fish , bought off the beaches at the open fish markets...and tuna...all line caught or in throw nets and hauled in by hand. I'm not sure I could be vegetarian , but I can go weeks without eating meat at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavclojak Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 Thanks Angie, I only ever ate chicken so when I decided to keep hens giving up eating chicken wasn't a great leap for me. The strange and bizzare thing is I can't eat their eggs...don't ask!!!! I don't even understand it myself it's embaressing to admit I do understand that if you are a struggling financially and are at the supermarket faced with four chicken breasts for £4 or two freerange organic breasts at £12 what are you gonna do? I just feel we must give th animals we eat, the best life possible and they deserve the best death we can give them. And the "independent" vets that visit slaughterhouses need to be accountable too. Also why are there no unscheduled spot checks by the FSA? Maybe FSA are not up to the job!!! When these things come to light or if something was picked up during an inspection why is the place not shut down straight away, why is it the slaughtermans licence is revoked but the abattois can carry on trading...again accountability!!!!! If they were shut down then maybe the bosses of these places might be more proactive when they are hit in the pocket. At least if there were video monitoring these morons might think twice, I have another suggestion for them, go and join ISIS because they are all worse than animals...RANT OVER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsunset Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Signed. Saw there was a story in the Daily Mail on line very recently but could not read it, but know it was to do with torture/taunting of Sheep/lambs to be slaughtered. I abhor this. I am not vegetarian as know we have nice beef/lamb locally bred but chicken is off my menu since I got the girls and I know pork is probably next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsunset Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Another point. I was born in the late 60's and growing up we had boring locally reared on the hill roast lamb for Sunday lunch (wish I had appreciated it more as now it's soo expensive) Beef was expensive, a luxury, and a roast chicken was a rare treat! Now everything has been changed, millions of chickens are slaughtered daily as can be 'mass produced at little cost', beef is still fairly expensive as reared out doors and lamb is off the scale price wise due to less crofters with minimum income to ratio. Pork I know is cheaper as again can be reared from piglet to adult in four months in tiny cage (length of pig, who can never turn round in it) I totally understand that people are struggling to afford any kind of meat today so will turn a blind eye to how it's produced, so it's a catch 22. Sad but true in this present climate but every little helps I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapdragon Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 The Mail article seemed to focus on Halal slaughter tho I suspect its much of a muchness. CCTC would be a great step forward.....I eat meat but try very hard to choose meat that is local and responsibly sourced, husbanded and despatched. If we were fortunate enough to have sufficient land (something of a pipe dream at present ) then I would have no hesitation in having two lots of chickens....eggy ones and meat ones but both would have the same fab lifestyle, respect and welfare standards...as far as I am concerned that it what its all about. Equally I have brought my boys up to know and understand that meat is an animal and doesn't just appear in a tray from wherever but deserves our respect and should be responsibly sourced - we are fortunate to have a great local butcher who shares these ideals - he always has people lining up out of the door to buy from him so that shows that there are many others out there who feel the same! I was vegetarian for a few years too but reverted to meat when I was pregnant,,,tho many of our family meals are still veggie and we don't feel the lack of meat!!!! Now eating less meat but better quality (therefore more expensive ) and better welfare standards....all a question of balance, as far as I am concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsunset Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I am always in awe of those who can rear meat and egg birds. I know mine would all turn into egg birds but kudos to you for wanting to keep and supply your own meat. Guess I am also lucky in that we have local meat in our butchers that we know are reared on land as well. It's very hard if supermarket shopping to know where meat comes from, unless u read the small print in some cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavclojak Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 When I was doing a rehoming recently we had a young guy helping who has a little land. He rears his own pigs, gives them a lovely life and takes then, himself to an abattoir. He then collects the meat a day later. He said he always has pangs of guilt but knows they have been happy. I absolutely applaud him for that! Halal meat production is cruel, I don't understand why we allow it! Maybe it a cultural thing, maybe it's their attitude to animals? But I know of horrible abuse in non halal production too. Don't even get me started on foreign meat production, especially pork..... I do think things are slowly changing.....fingers crossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Chick Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I am finding it intriguing that so many people are current worked up over abattoirs and yet the life the animal has had prior to getting there is rarely mentioned or factored (I'm glad it's different here!). I think there are nasty people who will abuse animals across all races and religions.... It wasn't that long ago that there was the scandal in the Bernard Matthews factory about staff playing football with live turkeys I will never forget a conversation I had with a work colleague who called me "Evil" when I dispatched and ate a cockerel that I had raised from a chick. I called her on it, as she was eating her Tesco Chicken sandwich. I explained the intense rearing of chicken, how they have 42 days of life, how they are genetically reared to have unnatural breasts and by the time they are slaughtered their hearts are failing as they are struggling to support their weight, and all this whilst crammed into a barn having never seen the outside whilst have ammonia burns of their feet from standing in their own waste. I then reminded her that my cockerel had been free ranging, had got to behave like a chicken and was twice the length of life with half the meat of an intensively reared bird. Then I said "which one of us is evil?" As I pointed to her sandwich!! I ONLY buy free range meat from local farms and my local butcher, and I use it frugally and sparingly. I can make a chicken last for 5 or 6 meals for hubby and I. But if I couldn't afford to buy free range, I'd become veggie before eating animals that have had a dreadful life When I eat out I mostly choose veggie options or fish because of the potential poor husbandry of restaurant meat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Very well put, SpaceChick. I'd love to have seen your colleague's face! I also agree with redsunset's comment above. Part of the problem is that we now expect to eat meat every day, especially chicken which is seen as 'healthy' (for us, not the birds) and palatable. I too grew up in the 1960s and chicken was a Sunday treat, not a weekday dish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavenders_Blue Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Can I ask a genuine question to you all (I promise I'm not the difficult veggie trying to catch you all out!) - if you're buying supermarket meat, how can you ensure it's been humanely slaughtered? Obviously the meat is labelled as free range etc, so you've got an idea of how it has been raised, but the packaging doesn't mention slaughter method or abbatoir? Can you even be sure if you buy from a butcher? As I say, it's a genuine question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 My meat comes from 2 farms that we travel to. One non-organic but ethics are fabulous and we trust him. The other when we can splash out is organic and we walk around the farm often and we can see the animals, see the wildlife increasing each year and again a matter of trust. They both cost far more than buying from a supermarket. We even adopted a pig and went to visit. And yet again we trusted the family that were running the show. All of the above had far superior flavour too. I don't always eat meat - I also cook vegetarian meals a fair amount because we have a couple of veggies in the family. I also have a carnivor who loves his meat fest!!! Fish also is a regular thing here. Probably it all evens out over the weeks. But as for supermarket meat some people can't afford to do what we do. And yes it is ridiculous how much a chicken or anything else sells for when we know how much our own chickens chomp away money-wise. And if they are just giving their suppliers a pittance then I guess those suppliers are also looking for the cheapest options for everything else. And that is very worrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
