BeckyBoo Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Go for it Boxerman - the press is bviously VERY into chickesn at he minute - see the Richard and Judy This Morning thread, plus Jamie Oliver - if you went to the local press I'm sure they would be interested. And please please don't be bullied over this, as someone else said, ask them to tackle yobs or anti-social behaviour and you never see them, a few chickens and they're down on you like a ton of bricks with no offer of concilliation or discussion or compromise. FIGHT IT TO THE END _ WE'RE ALL BEHIND YOU!!! Mrs Bertie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 DONT LET YOUR GIRLS GO BOXERMAN DONT LOSE THEM TO THE EVIL WHO WANT THEM GONE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Go for it Boxerman - the press is bviously VERY into chickesn at he minute - see the Richard and Judy This Morning thread, plus Jamie Oliver - if you went to the local press I'm sure they would be interested. And please please don't be bullied over this, as someone else said, ask them to tackle yobs or anti-social behaviour and you never see them, a few chickens and they're down on you like a ton of bricks with no offer of concilliation or discussion or compromise. FIGHT IT TO THE END _ WE'RE ALL BEHIND YOU!!! Mrs Bertie MRS BERTIE IS 100% CORRECT FIGHT IT TO THE END BOXERMAN BECAUSE WE REALLY ARE ALL BEHIND YOU DONT LET THEM BULLY YOU MY BLOODS REALLY BOILING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I'm with the others Boxerman, take it to the Echo! I lived in Basildon for the past few years and I've seen much worse than a couple of chickens. Give me a shout if you need any help - I'm still quite local. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkkat Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I really sympathize - I've only had mine 3 weeks but it may come to that for me as well . We've not had a complaint yet but it's only a matter of time - I can't believe 3 little birds can be so noisy. I heard Mango this morning whilst washing my hair in the shower with the bathroom's double glazed windows shut . I expected to find her being hauled off by a fox, or laying an eye-wateringly sized egg at the very least, but she was just standing on the ladder sounding like a plane taking off. To be honest, if I was my neighbour, it would annoy me. If they have to go, I don't know anyone who'd take them . And I am getting stressed out waiting for her to kick off at any moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJuff Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I wholeheartedly agree with everyone so far. you cannot just accept you have to get rid of your chooks. Whatever is the world coming too. Have you decided to act now with all the support you have from Omleteers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 You are having your human rights infringed. (Wave that one at them...people are terrifed of it!) Your right to be certain that the eggs you eat are from a compassionate source are being eroded. Go for it....and yes...involve the newspapers, local green party etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I really sympathize - I've only had mine 3 weeks but it may come to that for me as well . We've not had a complaint yet but it's only a matter of time - I can't believe 3 little birds can be so noisy. I heard Mango this morning whilst washing my hair in the shower with the bathroom's double glazed windows shut . I expected to find her being hauled off by a fox, or laying an eye-wateringly sized egg at the very least, but she was just standing on the ladder sounding like a plane taking off. To be honest, if I was my neighbour, it would annoy me. If they have to go, I don't know anyone who'd take them . And I am getting stressed out waiting for her to kick off at any moment. try the hose trick. our ella is extremely noisy. lately I have been spraying her with the hose every time she goes a bit OTT - and she soon gets the message and stops. I also close the eglu door at night as otherwise we would have the whole village up - that way I am in control and i open the door at a reasonable hour (7am during the working week) and a little bit later on the weekend. The girls are pefectly fine enclosed in the eglu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkkat Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I tried the hose trick - she very quickly learned to duck behind the others before shouting, and to run away from me whenever I approached - still shouting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocobo Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 they can't just make you get rid of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen&Lee Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 What about a super-soaker water gun Pinkkat? It has done the job with our Springer Spaniel who was racing around the chicken run at quite a speed in pure 'let me at them' excitement. The super-soakers fire at quite a distance - possible you could get a 'hit' before she realised you were near? The others are all right BOXERMAN - don't give up so easily, if you stand up to them and question the wording in the letter even, asking them to back it up with evidence I am -postive they will back down. They just don't expect people to question their ridiculous letters most of the time. Good Luck Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I know a chap not that far from me who keeps AND BREEDS chickens in a bungalow where it is expressly forbidden in the deeds! He has several breeding groups - and the cockerals make a real din. He has coops in his garden (which is only small) and his garage is lined with breeding coops. The noise is horrendous when you go in his garage! I asked him how he gets away with it and he said that he takes all his neighours eggs and keeps them happy that way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirl Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I suspect the Housing Association have a clause whereby you have to ask permission to own any animal. Therefore if Boxerman didn't ask permission then he has broken the rules of his tenancy. It stinks but rules are rules. I'm not too far away from you Boxerman (just outside Chelmsford) so if you get stuck with your chooks let me know. Shirl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hen Watch Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Hi Boxerman. I really feel for you. How awful to be put in this situation. As others have said so far, we are all behind you if you decide to fight the Housing Association letter. Local paper is a good idea. If it does come to it that they have to go, I am sure Daisy, Daphne and Doris will be happy with your sister's friend. Please do let us know how it all goes as I'm sure people on this forum can help with further ideas if you need them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I suspect the Housing Association have a clause whereby you have to ask permission to own any animal. Therefore if Boxerman didn't ask permission then he has broken the rules of his tenancy. It stinks but rules are rules. I'm not too far away from you Boxerman (just outside Chelmsford) so if you get stuck with your chooks let me know. Shirl You make a very sensible point. If this is the case, could he apply retrospectively. If permission has been granted for other animals then he could argue for his chickens. If permission has not been granted for any other animals then, as you say, rules are rules. I don't have a problem with rules, so long as they are made clear to people when they join (whether that is a club or society in general!) and are applied fairly. I don't agree with quite a few of the laws we have to live under. but I accept that I joined society (albeit without having to go through an application process and HR -thank goodness) and, because its a democracy, do have some sort of part in the decisions (debatable I suppose) and therefore accept that I should abide by the laws. So, if what you suggest is the situation, and the rules were made clear at the start, and are applied to everyone (so dogs and cats and gerbils etc all count) then its reasonable. NO IT ISN'T, because its chickens we are talking about here - not cats or dogs or other bits of stuff. Its chickens and they are different. becos I say so and I'm fed up of being sensible and reasonable and all the rest of it. I really feel like being a Mr Angry of Neasden or whereever and being totally irresponcible and unreasonable and illogical and and and and and and and adn adn dna andanandnandna sorry officer I'll come quietly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirl Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 [ NO IT ISN'T, because its chickens we are talking about here - not cats or dogs or other bits of stuff. Its chickens and they are different. becos I say so and I'm fed up of being sensible and reasonable and all the rest of it. I really feel like being a Mr Angry of Neasden or whereever and being totally irresponcible and unreasonable and illogical and and and and and and and adn adn dna andanandnandna sorry officer I'll come quietly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocobo Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 You make a very sensible point. If this is the case, could he apply retrospectively. If permission has been granted for other animals then he could argue for his chickens. If permission has not been granted for any other animals then, as you say, rules are rules. I don't have a problem with rules, so long as they are made clear to people when they join (whether that is a club or society in general!) and are applied fairly. I don't agree with quite a few of the laws we have to live under. but I accept that I joined society (albeit without having to go through an application process and HR -thank goodness) and, because its a democracy, do have some sort of part in the decisions (debatable I suppose) and therefore accept that I should abide by the laws. So, if what you suggest is the situation, and the rules were made clear at the start, and are applied to everyone (so dogs and cats and gerbils etc all count) then its reasonable. NO IT ISN'T, because its chickens we are talking about here - not cats or dogs or other bits of stuff. Its chickens and they are different. becos I say so and I'm fed up of being sensible and reasonable and all the rest of it. I really feel like being a Mr Angry of Neasden or whereever and being totally irresponcible and unreasonable and illogical and and and and and and and adn adn dna andanandnandna sorry officer I'll come quietly I completely agree. about last bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirl Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I think like most Tenancy agreements it would have lots of small print including asking permission to keep pets. I think retrospective permission is normally allowed but assuming someone has complained then the HA are going to make life easy and just say no. Doesn't mean he shouldn't fight it though just that if what I suggest is the case then he's made life more difficult for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Not that we're a radical lot or anything.... Richard, you need totake the pink ones, not more of the big blue ones now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_H Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 I suspect the Housing Association have a clause whereby you have to ask permission to own any animal. Hi Boxerman, Can you give us some more details ? What kind of housing arrangement do you have ? Is it a HA ? Is there a rule about animals/pets/whatever ? Hazel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arowland17 Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 If having to ask permission is in the small print and they don't allow retrospective applications then I'd make a list of all neighbours with pets and check that they too have applied for permission, if you didn't know you had to apply then its quite likely neighbours wouldn't know they had to apply to keep cats and dogs etc - if they are making you get rid then they would have to do the same to everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aunty e Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 That's exactly what we plan to do if we have any more letters from the Housing Harridan. Looking at our lease properly, we are not allowed to keep any animals, anywhere on our property. No mention of permission. I don't imagine any of the other tenants and leaseholders have asked for permission to keep their cats or dogs, so we think we have a strong case. Frankly, we think they only sent the letter so they could tell whichever miserable b*stard who complained (about the straw, apparently it's unhygienic to have STRAW in your garden) that they did something. We just acknowledged their letter and are ignoring them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 At the moment the Government are on a big drive to get people to live a greener lifestyle. They have a web site full of it. The link below might help with your fight, scroll down to the bottom. The government are directly telling people to grow their own produce to cut down on packaging and food miles and so help cut CO2 emissions. Quoting directly... 11. Grow your own Growing just a little bit of your own produce can help reduce the environmental costs of packaging and transporting food. Eggs are produce and you are "growing your own" exactly as you have been advised to do by Her Majesties Government. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Environmentandgreenerliving/Greenergarden/DG_064407 Hope it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 everyone, just seen the new topic by BOXERMAN tittles goodbye to my girls, have a look and show him your support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOXERMAN Posted September 7, 2007 Author Share Posted September 7, 2007 I went to my housing officer today to try to save my chickens, but they just will not listen to reason. So for my girls sake i told them what i thought them, for where i was very upset i am now very angry. When i walked out of their office i felt so much better. I thought i would strike a final blow for all of us omlet gang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
