Blackrocksrock Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I cannot for the life of me comprehend a frozen omelette to be served to factory workers - FROZEN. God it takes longer to defrost than to cook from fresh! I wish my hens were here now and I will never eat another non free range chicken in my life (knowingly). Its awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 It was a good programme. I had the priviledge of spending the hour my cousin who used to work in the industry so it was interesting to hear her point of view. Nothing wrong with the programme, if you can't take seeing an animal being slaughtered humanely on television don't eat meat at all, that's just hypocritical! (spelling?) Looking forward to tomorrows programme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 well, so far no difference btwn free range and intensive- there's a shock! Apart from space....... I guess they can't free range yet as they are too young. he was having to kill chicks on both sides though. Not surprising they had leg problems, the way they got tossed onto the floor from those crates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Nothing wrong with the programme, if you can't take seeing an animal being slaughtered humanely on television don't eat meat at all I do agree Martin, but it is upsetting to see and im terribly emotional when it comes to animals. (I havent eaten meat for 20 years) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Man Banned Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I still haven't watched it yet as Joe wants me to watch it first and then let him know if he'll find it too upsetting, he's sensitive like that. From what I've read so far I'd say it was pretty eye-opening view of chickens and their production. For one thing I am grateful to this forum for changing so many of the things we now do (for the better) as owning our own "laydees" has opened our eyes to such things before the need for Hugh's programme Thanks guys A xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 i have a feeling t'rows prog will be far worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 hugh was right when he said "from little acorns big oaks grow" even after seeing this if a few people change their minds, or even if they dont see this a lot of people will be discussing it to their colleagues/neighbours/relatives. So some good will come from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 well, so far no difference btwn free range and intensive- there's a shock! Apart from space....... I guess they can't free range yet as they are too young. he was having to kill chicks on both sides though. Not surprising they had leg problems, the way they got tossed onto the floor from those crates? I thought that at first then realised that given a chance chick will throw themselves a lot further and be ok. Mine used to try and dive to the floor out of the brooder on the worktop. Even smallholders tend to have to cull chicks thats legs are dodgy or splayed. They can't feed or get about and its the most humane thing to do. Later on I'm sure we'll see more leg problems in the intensive lot than in the free range as the differences start to take effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 the way they got tossed onto the floor from those crates? It was the most time efficient way of doing it. Imagine taking 4,000 chicks out of those boxes and placing them one after the other gently on the floor. The sawdust would have cushioned the landing and it would have saved hours and hours of time. I didn't think it was that bad, it's the real world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 i have a feeling t'rows prog will be far worse Well Hugh was crying... That's probably the bit that upset me the most! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoid Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I let out a sigh of relief when the cut from the chicks in the shed to the free range ones on the allotment, they looked soo happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenlover Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 just saw an advert for Jamies fowl dinners, it looks very hard hitting, sitting all those people down for dinner and then showing them all of those chickens, if anything is going to turn me veggie that will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menagerie Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 isn't it awful, the suspense about what will happen tomorrow to all those gorgeous little chicks.... hope the allotment people enjoy keeping theirs. (but why were all those allotments empty, there seems to be waiting lists everywehere else?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey Lucy Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I'm recording all the programmes to watch during the daytime, I am too tired and emotional to watch programmes like this in the evening. Also I don't think I'd sleep that well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 (but why were all those allotments empty, there seems to be waiting lists everywehere else?) I said that to Dh (along with loads of other comments until he told me to shut up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 just saw an advert for Jamies fowl dinners, it looks very hard hitting, sitting all those people down for dinner and then showing them all of those chickens, if anything is going to turn me veggie that will But I don't think that is the intention, and keeping chickens of my own has made me MORE inclined to eat meat - as long as it's been humanely (and preferably organically) reared. If we go on eating eggs - and keeping our own chickens - then cockerels will be hatched and have to be slaughtered. Better they are reared properly and humanely, and then eaten, than just wasted? If you follow the veggie argument to its logical conclusion, then veganism is the only way to go. I've set the recorder for the next two, plus Dispatches on Thursday and Jamie's Fowl Dinners on Friday - I don't want to miss any of this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 If you follow the veggie argument to its logical conclusion, then veganism is the only way to go. never a truer word spoken! I'm ashamed to say I just couldn't do it. I've been raised as a meat and dairy eater, I'd have to go into re-hab! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeckyBoo Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 If any meat eaters really want to test their committment to meat you could try watching "Kill it cook it eat it", on BBC3 they've followed suckling pigs from birth on a fab free range farm to slaughter. Showed the complete slaughter procedure, the killing, bleeding, scalding, everything and now they're preparing it for cooking and eating. It's gory and disturbing and, personally, I think meat eaters should all know where their meat is coming from, wether it's pigs, lambs or chickens. That said, I'd like to know where Hugh priced his free range chickens, I was in the middle of my on-line shop when his programme was on and a free range chicken worked out at £9.60. Which is a lot of money. It's reasonable when you consider the price of the bird, the cost of raising it, and what price you put on quality of life, but I will be very interested to see just how much better life is for a free range bird, I don't think it's going to be quite as much like our chickens lives as many people think. Mrs Bertie Mrs Bertie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 that's the cost of 2 packs of cigarettes or 2 drinks in the pub, not that expensive I'd say. I know where I'd rather my money went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ain't Nobody Here Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 It was an interesting programme but as others have said, the upsetting bits are probably going to be in the next 2 programmes (although YS and I were very unhappy about those poor little chicks having to be culled). I was impressed at how pernickity the Irish guy was in setting up the shed. You could imagine less scrupulous chicken breeders cutting corners. It'll be very interesting to see how the attitudes of the people looking after the free-range chickens alters. Some of them seem to have been quite affected by their new pets (sorry, livestock!) already . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftyhunnypie Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I think I could turn veggie eventually! What an absolutely brilliant program! I didn't like the way the chicks were thrown to the ground from the crates - I'm sure they could have put the crate down & coaxed them out rather than just chucking them to the floor! The allotment people are getting attatched already to the chickens - mostly the men!!!! I think HAyley will be converted to buy free range chicken. I find the whole thing very interesting - I never really understood how cheap chickens were raised. Far too many in such little space. I know this is another issue, but is that what barn egg hens live like too? I'm sounding really ignorant here, but just wondered. I shall be watching every program this week! Emma.x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I came on to mention Kill it Cook it Eat it Mrs Bertie. Truly horrific, especially the Spanish 3 week old pigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeckyBoo Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Poet, absolutely, worth every penny just a lot more than most people are used t paying, me included. We're fairly broke most of the time so I used to shop on BOGOF and all the special offers, but instead I've been trying to shop on the basis that I won't end up throwing half my fridge away every week. We waste so much food, countrywide as well as in my house, if I can address that (in my house obviously ) then paying a tenner for a chicken that feeds five of us for three days, that actually tastes like it's supposed to taste and that we can eat with a clear conscience, well that would actually be worth twice the money. And once they started on those Spanish piglets I switched over I'm afraid. I'm not terribly squeamish, used to work in a vet lab, but I'm not overly keen on our methods of slaughter, I didn't think I needed to see how they do it in Spain, specially as the presenter said it was going to be gory, I thought it had been gory enough already! Mrs Bertie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesley Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I came on to mention Kill it Cook it Eat it Mrs Bertie. Truly horrific, especially the Spanish 3 week old pigs We were asked if we'd provide a suckling pig for a Spanish family living over here - we refused. I couldn't raise something for just a short time only for it to be slaughtered The only way we cope with rearing pigs is knowing that the pigs have a long (relatively) and happy life. I do worry that the series of programmes will appeal mainly to the already converted. I hope I'm very, very wrong. I think that even some of the people who already buy free range may eat more vegetarian food after watching. I was vegetarian for 25 years and only started eating meat we've raised ourselves - I'm still veggie. when I eat out. I did eat some free-range chicken recently at a friends house and I still felt strangely uncomfortable about it I can't wait to see how the allotmenteers get on...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cate in NZ Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I do worry that the series of programmes will appeal mainly to the already converted. I hope I'm very, very wrong. I think that even some of the people who already buy free range may eat more vegetarian food after watching. That worries me as well. I've been talking to friends, work colleagues, patients ( ) and neighbours, about this series of programmes, and Jamies too of course, and when I talk about them the general comment is along the lines of "I couldn't watch that, I'd get too upset, I don't want to know where my food comes from ". Only 1 friend actually was planning to watch it, and she's a chicken keeping, veggie growing, vegetarian. I think that many people divorce themselves from the reality of the food industry just so that they can have cheap, convenient meals . But it was an interesting programme, I'm looking forward to the rest, and hopefully slowly people will begin to sit up and take notice, start to ask questions and be a little more discerning about the food that they choose to eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
