Cinnamon Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Tania Garwood. The mother who encouraged her 18 year old son to turn himself in to the Police,after her was caught on camera throwing a fire extinguisher of of a roof,narrowly missing crowds below. I also feel desperately sorry for her,after her son was convicted & sentenced to 32 months in prison. His life may well now be in ruins due to a moment of madness, but he is lucky to have such a strong,sensible role model as this woman for his mother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia W Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I admire her too. I think her son will recover with her support. I've done a lot of work with youngsters in this type of situation and there is a way back for them- and they are often stronger for it. Key to recovery is a strong supportive family - and a willingness of employers and others to understand that people can and do change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alis girls Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Me too - if more parents "shopped " their kids when they did wrong it would be a nicer world to live in. Sadly many people dont see it that way. I suspect he wont serve all that time and he was lucky he didnt kill someone with it. Intersting article in Mail about mums who shopped their kids - none regret it but the fall out is great. Sad waste of a life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I admire her too. I think her son will recover with her support. I've done a lot of work with youngsters in this type of situation and there is a way back for them- and they are often stronger for it. Key to recovery is a strong supportive family - and a willingness of employers and others to understand that people can and do change. Me too, I read it this morning and thought - wow, what an example to feckless parents everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 very brave lady, I dont suppose her son thinks so at this moment. It could have been so much worse, my grandad took his then 18 year old son to the police many years ago and he confessed to murder, capital punishment was still around then this young man has gotten away very lightly, he could have killed someone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debbier Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Yes, what he did was very wrong, and I'm not about to defend him. However, if someone gets into a car drunk, drives off and nearly hits someone, then would they receive such a sentence? How does it differ, in terms of both potential to cause harm, and intent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Yes, what he did was very wrong, and I'm not about to defend him. However, if someone gets into a car drunk, drives off and nearly hits someone, then would they receive such a sentence? How does it differ, in terms of both potential to cause harm, and intent? totally agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsylabrador Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Woolard was actually charged with violent disorder which is a serious crime with a maximum sentence of 5 years. He could have got a much harsher sentence. I also admire his family, it must have been very difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadietoo Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Yes, what he did was very wrong, and I'm not about to defend him. However, if someone gets into a car drunk, drives off and nearly hits someone, then would they receive such a sentence? How does it differ, in terms of both potential to cause harm, and intent? I totally agree too.I found myself shouting at the Radio (again it's a sign of age ) when I heard this. Whilst not defending his stupidity if a prison sentence is meant to be a deterrent to the offender then this length of sentence is a travesty of justice, since I am certain that he realised how stupid he had been the minute the fire extinguisher left his hands, and is highly unlikely to be a risk to society ever again...the repeat drink driver however is another matter altogether..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottechicken Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 my grandad took his then 18 year old son to the police many years ago and he confessed to murder, capital punishment was still around then Oh my word So sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I agree I thought she was very good to take him to the police but I feel the judge then let her down by imposing such a severe sentence (and I felt compared to more hardened offenders the teenager was charged with too severe an offence). Absolutely what he did was wrong and he should have been punished but last autumn a pensioner who knew he had severe eyesight problems ran over and killed an old lady and he was fined £1500 They both did something stupid and dangerous, one caused a death the other didn't... Tiggy wrote:my grandad took his then 18 year old son to the police many years ago and he confessed to murder, capital punishment was still around then sorry if it's too personal a ques but did your granddad ever think that would be the punishment ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsylabrador Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 RE. the son: When I look at the footage I see a grown man who is trespassing in the middle of a riot on the roof of someone else's property. I see him clearly thinking about and aiming a heavy metal object from the roof down onto the heads of police, journalists, medics & protesters below. He knows what he is doing. He was acting in a violent and disorderly way. It was a riot & the people being charged are lucky it's not that charge they face because it carries a very harsh sentence. I believe the charge and sentence were appropriate,and hopefully they are a deterrent to future protesters this year, and will cause them to stop and think before they act in a criminal way. You must have seen the pictures that are still being released of young people who will be arrested for crimes they would never ordinarily dream of committing. I reserve my anger for and I despise older anarchists, including those sitting tightly in their university occupations who know how not to get arrested and who used the students & others as cannon fodder, collatoral damage. They don't care if the students get criminal records because they have achieved their goal for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 Back on topic................I am not sure that I could shop my child as this brave woman did. Her head must be in complete turmoil now..... Its a huge instinct to protect your child & I think that she is extraordinary to do what she has done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alis girls Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Like you Cinammon I would um and ah as to whether I could shop my sons. But I do know if I knew he had raped, abused a child supplied drugs, murdered or beat up someone not in self defense - I could - but where do you draw the line - drink driving kills, throwing stuff into a crowd - it could have had a much worse ending - if it deters another idiot then some good would come of it. The London Standard reports they are after a ? petrol bomber seen at seen - good picture only a matter of time before he is caught. As a parent I would not let my 15 yr old go to such a rally and shame on those parents who let kids who do - they should be in school not truanting. My son would be grounded till hes 30 if he did - theres extreeme parenting for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 sorry if it's too personal a ques but did your granddad ever think that would be the punishment ? Tiggy wrote:my grandad took his then 18 year old son to the police many years ago and he confessed to murder, capital punishment was still around then Im not sure, James was AWOL from the army at the time and grandad took him into the local police. Apparently James had confessed to him that he had killed a young girl that day. Grandad gave evidence at the trial and tried to convince the jury that James was mentaly unstable but the Drs didnt agree. Thankfully we live in more enlightened times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Tiggy Tragic for your grandfather whatever he did. No decent person could ignore a confession like that but how awful to know you were instrumental in sending your teenage son to his death especially if he believed he was mentally unstable and needed help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 very dark days indeed for everyone concerned, Moms family fell apart afterwards, they were all deemed guilty by association by the local thugs & press. James was only 19 when he was excuted in Winson Green Prison in Birmingham, and I've recently met an elderly relative who grew up with him who said that he was such a lovely boy & those who knew him couldn't understand how he could have done such a thing. It was totally out of character, as with the young man throwing the extinguisher off the roof onto a crowd, who knows what goes through their minds. 'Mad or bad' ??? http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+last+convict+to+be+hanged+in+the+Midlands%3B+BOOK+REOPENS...-a0165859418 Ive just found this, the young man was my uncle. thank goodness we are more humane these days, people can do stupid and terrible things, but at least I hope that the criminal justice system is now more able to cope with separating out the mad from the bad & treat accordingly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Oh my goodness Tiggy, I have goosebumps reading this. What a tragic story. We rarely see the full story when things like this come to our attention via the press Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Tiggy thanks for sharing. Thank goodness we live in more enlightened times/country. I don't want to open a debate here on capital punishment but I'm glad it no longer happens in this country and in the main people get fair trials in the UK. We tend to forget about the impact on the whole family and how it can continue for more than one generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickencam Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 It is good that we now live in a more compasionate and enlightened world. I do feel for the mother of this young man, she has obviously brought her children up, to see that actions have consequences. I am sure that she must have felt at the time of going to police with her son, that by owning up he would be dealt with a lot more leniently than he was. I appreciate that he got no where near the maximum sentence for the crime that he was charged with, but the punishement did seem excessive to me. There must be plenty of older clean living people in society who did things in the heat of the moment when they were younger that they were lucky to get away with and deeply regret. This boy has been used as an example and a deterent to potential rioters, hopefully there is a way back for him and that his actions do make others think twice. I really hope that his prison experience makes him stronger, and that he can complete his education there, I hope that he doesn't get corrupted along the way and that he can come out and make ammends for his actions by becoming a useful member of society. I wish both him and his family well, there but for the grace of God go a lot of families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 ^^ hear hear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 Indeed. Well said,Chickencam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Bravo from me too, chickencam. Especially to your last sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickencam Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Thankyou As a mother of teenagers this story had a real impact on me, and many others too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
