Egluntyne Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 ...Here... is a lesson in how to drive people away from religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 We obviously go at the same things in The Mail Egluntine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couperman Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 I thought Christianity was a tolerant religion. I could understand it if someone wanted to hire the hall for a neo-nazi meet or an Amy Whinehouse fan club meeting, but a few kids doing Yogi Bear exercises! I think the world has gone a mad so it doesn't suprise me at all Kev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Don't start me off Kev... Egluntine and I had a good rant yesterday. Do you want to join our league of grumpy old bags? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couperman Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 A good rant does you the world of good! I am going to have one now! Dear Daily Sun and every other british paper, Princess Diana died ten years ago, very tragically, and very suspiciously in my opinion. It was a very shocking event that rocked the nation and the world. (and spoiled my Birthday/house warming Party) However ten years down the line do we really need a front page interview with one of the guys who lowered her into the ground? NO WE DON'T! Get over it! Please let the Lady rest in peace and stop dragging this up year after year just to sell more papers! Kev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Thank you for that Kev *wipes Kev's brow and offers a cuppa* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Amen to that Kev! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Speaking as a practising Christian, I too find the story (about tots yoga) utterly ridiculous and agree it is very bad publicity for the churches. I imagine there are thousands of Christians who practise yoga for all the benefits it gives. Christianity is about loving the individual and finding the good in every person, definitely not about discrimination. Whilst I understand where the argument comes from, it is very sad when theory overrides reality and common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhapsody Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Hmmmmm, I dunno about this one- its very convenient to ignore the spiritual side of Yoga when it suits you but it has (or should have) a spiritual side, otherwise its just isometrics and flexibility training. Maybe she should have been more tactful and called it Baby Stretch or something. I think if you are going to be a Christian you should do it wholeheartedly, surely part of the problem with our national religion is that it is so flabby spineless and boring, not surprising that people are converting to Islam in their droves, at least they have conviction and structure. The fact that it is a class aimed at babies makes this story interesting, but I actually quite admire the rev for making a stand. High praise from a practising Pagan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trish Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 At the risk of loosing my head I'm not so sure about this one. I am a christian and whilst I've never looked into it myself, others who have have told me that most of the yoga positions are actually meant to be worship to various Gods. Now it's a fine divider between "just" doing the position and actually worshipping a God you've never heard of but I can understand a church being unhappy with yoga on their premises. How they've gone about doing it leaves something to be desired, they really should have check properly who was booking rooms and for what purpose before saying yes, but I can understand their point. Would muslims etc be happy with a similar christian based exercise method if such existed, I doubt they would be even if the spiritual side seemed removed. This response is in no way meant to offend, just adding my view on it, please mod it off if it's upsetting to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooner.girl Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Totally agree with Rhapsody and Trish - i am also a christian and I don't think yoga and christianity sit very well together for many reasons i won't go into here, suffice to say that christians are naive if they think practicing yoga won't affect their faith in some way and i don't blame the pastor for making a stand. Good for him. (though i also agree with Trish that he should have checked what use the property was being used for before saying yes Men! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Speaking as a practising Christian, I too find the story (about tots yoga) utterly ridiculous and agree it is very bad publicity for the churches. I imagine there are thousands of Christians who practise yoga for all the benefits it gives. Christianity is about loving the individual and finding the good in every person, definitely not about discrimination. Whilst I understand where the argument comes from, it is very sad when theory overrides reality and common sense. Beautifully put,Ginette. I think its all madness, but as a non-believer I would think that,wouldn't I? And don't even get me started on Princess Di Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Me too Cinnamon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocchick Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Totally agree with Rhapsody and Trish - i am also a christian and I don't think yoga and christianity sit very well together for many reasons i won't go into here, suffice to say that christians are naive if they think practicing yoga won't affect their faith in some way and i don't blame the pastor for making a stand. Good for him. (though i also agree with Trish that he should have checked what use the property was being used for before saying yes Men! ) I'm sorry, I'm on this side to, althought not been a christian for many years. There is a religious root to yoga. The poses in the picture do look spiritual, and are not just animal poses. Bandwagon again, it's reasonable for Christians to compromise, but yet if other religions do, it's discrimination against their religion. I think they should stand by their values like other religions do. Princess Diana on the other hand I felt something 10 years ago, but it is just a little overdone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trish Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 On the Princess Di point, there's a channel some where showing the whole funeral over again, starting at exactly the same time 8:45am and the full hours and hours thing. Is it me or does that seem weird. Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion on Princess Di, the royal family etc , the B&B where we stayed had several videos about the royal family we could have borrowed, the famous wedding, the queen mum's hundreth birthday celebrations and many more but interestingly not a video of the funeral, seems rather morbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 Why is the Diana saga running and running....because people are making money out of it. I wonder if those who idolise her and criticise Camilla remember that Diana had affairs too, and stalked a married man. That is differently apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 The Hubby & I were talking about this the other night. It seems to us that there are people who just LOVE to wallow in greif,albeit about someone they may have never met. Some people we know just keep going on & on about Dianas anniversary, & to be honest it is really starting to grate. One neighbour is so maudlin about the whole thing that he just doesn't stop,unless its to say that he will be next in the ground I have my own life & my own issues to think about without thinking how sad it was that someone died 10 years ago, however tragic it was. And yes,people are making money out of it,& to me that seems very,very wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooner.girl Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 I do agree about the Diana thing. What a big fuss! My Grandpa and Great Granny both died the same week as she did so maybe i had other things on my mind but i can't believe people are still going on about it. Yes she was a nice lady who did stuff for charity but she had her own faults as well - she was just a normal human - people idolise her. My grandpa was a doctor - reckon he did just as much good in his life as she did in hers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 I think the concert and today's service has very little to do with what the public wants and everything to do with the princes who are now grown up and want to pay tribute to their mother publicly. I admire them for what they have done because without offending anyone, they have tried to paint her as the person they knew and loved, not the person the public necessarily knew and read about. Diana would be so proud of them and grateful for what they have tried to do. For two boys who so publicly lost their mother, I think we can all allow them this moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 surely part of the problem with our national religion is that it is so flabby spineless and boring My faith and worship is neither flabby, spineless nor boring and I belong to the Church of England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Looney Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 This is an odd one and I think it is a case of sour grapes on the part of the "yoga" teacher. If the woman has been teaching yoga for 20 years - and real yoga in the proper sense of the word - then calls the childrens class "yoga" and afterwards claims it isn't really isn't true yoga (as it isn't Hindu / spiritual) it all seems a bit odd to me. Either she gave the childrens class an incorrect name in error, or she thought it would be more trendy to call it yoga, or she has got the hump because the church have said no and is now trying to get them back by contacting the media. Would we be surprised if a church had said no to a Hindu group wanting to use their premises? Would we be surprised if a Mosque refused to hold a bible reading class? I think the Church did what it thought was correct and it must be a slow news day if there is nothing more interesting to report! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 The point about this as far as I can see is that it is perfectly possible to do Yoga purely as an exercise regime without taking on any religious philosophy. I went to a yoga class years ago and it was purely an hours gentle exercise and a cup of tea afterwards without anyone coming over all transcendental. If she was to call it "yoga-type" would this minister allow its use? Anyway...I thought religious intolerance was against the law. I would have thought he would have needed the rent for the upkeep of the hall. He will have put a few people off looking into renting it, I imagine...and she has done a good job of getting her classes advertised nationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couperman Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Again about the Princess Diaina thing, My rant was aimed at the press not Diana or her children. I think it is time that William and Harry should be left to do what they think their mum would have wanted them to do, which they seem to be doing already. The press should leave them alone. As far as the religion thing goes 'John Lennon's Imagine' makes you think doesn't it. Kev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 As far as the religion thing goes 'John Lennon's Imagine' makes you think doesn't it. Kev. Quite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egluntyne Posted September 1, 2007 Author Share Posted September 1, 2007 As far as the religion thing goes 'John Lennon's Imagine' makes you think doesn't it. Kev. Quite Amen to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
