Blackrocksrock Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Quote from APHA Scotland On 9th Feb 2017 the Scottish Government announced that the Avan Influeza Prevention Zone will be renewed until the end of April 2017. However on 28th February the requirements of the zone will change, meaning that from that date keepers may let their birds out provided that they have enhanced biosecurity measure in place End April now huh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Not so sure... i read that as being in line with the English requirements. .... so some areas keeping them in and others allowed out, after a risk assessment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrocksrock Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 No this is the scottish website and we are allowed to let them out then - we have only had one case in Dumfries and galloway area. England has different rules http://news.gov.scot/news/avian-influenza-5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridieLou Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/590529/ai-prevention-zone-plans-28_february-2017.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat tails Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/590529/ai-prevention-zone-plans-28_february-2017.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Looks the same across Britain. You still have to keep the bio security going after the 28th even if you are in a clear area. No reports of anything in Hampshire but they seem to think we're going to get a lot all over the place. So as I'm in the clear area I mustn't encourage wild birds - fat chance - this is countryside and unless all birds are culled across the county I still have to keep mine in. Or set up a new under cover area which has to be free of wild birds for 50 days - oh look, end of April like they said. I really need a tantrum emoticon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Speckled Hen Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Looks the same across Britain. So as I'm in the clear area I mustn't encourage wild birds - fat chance - this is countryside and unless all birds are culled across the county I still have to keep mine in. Or set up a new under cover area which has to be free of wild birds for 50 days! What's the betting this order will become permanent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrocksrock Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I read ours as only fenced in and any water areas netted off to discourage wild birds here in Scotland. We have no protection zones so mine weill be going out free ranging again till I hear different but keeping up biosecurity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Shopping today and pass a smallholding - hey what's the white? 3 geese happily mooching around. Maybe they escaped but hey ho. So fed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippie Chick Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 This really seems like a nonsense regulation now. I'm complying... but they are just paying lip service now to the situation. Mine have to be fenced in but with a netting cover. Netting? How is that going to offer security? Then I read on and is says the netting has to be a size that will prevent birds the size of a dove or larger getting in. So a netted area where any wild bird faeces can 'drop in' but as long as a dove sized bird can't squeeze in - well, that's somehow called biosecurity. Now while I don't want them to start insisting on being fully covered everywhere (I'm building an extension run for them complying with the March onwards regulations) I feel these new precautions are an absolute farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Speckled Hen Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 And how are housed birds behind biosecurity getting infected when our chooks won't if they are behind dove sized netting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I know... it doesn't make a busting lot of sense Even most biosecure poultry sheds on intensive systems get bird ingress; it's almost impossible to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrocksrock Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 This really seems like a nonsense regulation now. I'm complying... but they are just paying lip service now to the situation. Mine have to be fenced in but with a netting cover. Netting? How is that going to offer security? Then I read on and is says the netting has to be a size that will prevent birds the size of a dove or larger getting in. So a netted area where any wild bird faeces can 'drop in' but as long as a dove sized bird can't squeeze in - well, that's somehow called biosecurity. Now while I don't want them to start insisting on being fully covered everywhere (I'm building an extension run for them complying with the March onwards regulations) I feel these new precautions are an absolute farce. And what about the little birds - they can get in the netting smaller than a dove can? Its nonsense. I do think lots of people wont have backyard chickens as much as there has been in the past. Lots of eglus on ebay shortly me thinks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjp Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 anti bird netting on buildings has to be a certain size mesh which I think is about 30mm square or less to stop larger birds from getting part way through and ending up tangled up in the net plus it's easier for them to see the need the smaller the mesh size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullethunter Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I do think lots of people wont have backyard chickens as much as there has been in the past. Lots of eglus on ebay shortly me thinks! I disagree, because I think most people don't care about anything DEFRA say. This forum may give the impression that most people will take notice of and abide by their regulations, but I really don't think that's the case in the wider world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjp Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I do think lots of people wont have backyard chickens as much as there has been in the past. Lots of eglus on ebay shortly me thinks! I disagree, because I think most people don't care about anything DEFRA say. This forum may give the impression that most people will take notice of and abide by their regulations, but I really don't think that's the case in the wider world. sadly I have to agree most probably don't even know DEFRA exist and that the regs even apply to them I also think that there's been more than 2 back yard flocks affected and that keepers have just put any illness or deaths down to that's one of the things that happens with chickens it's also a fair bet that the vast majority of no chicken keepers don't even know that there's still a AI outbreak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Well it sounds like a nice big batch of Bird Flu (human bird flu) is now killing people off in China. Apparently it was around in 2013. A not very nice one. So won't be long before we will have to be confined to barracks too! Meanwhile has anyone developed chicken goggles and masks for their return to "normal" life? I'm now thinking of the squirrel in Spongebob Squarepants. Then take the helmet off when they go back inside after dousing them with Virkon so they can eat. It is ludicrous but maybe if I put forward this idea to Defra . . . no more ludicrous than netting with poop free to splash through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Have you seen this bit? You should also regularly check the range and actively scare away any wild birds that yousee. Er - I'd be flapping around all blinking day! And you try and scare fat wood pigeons away! They sit just out of reach and watch you getting all hot and bothered! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 wanna borrow my cat!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat tails Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Or my chickens? Can not have those thieving ratbags stealing the grain you don't particularly like so has been lying in the garden for a whole day!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickabee Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Oh dear I live on a 3 acre plot with many large trees, hedgroes and a pond oh and a brook running through the middle. Best give up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I feel your pain! I think it's a lot worse than mine! Would love to have a cat. Any cat. I'm desperate for a furry feline to sit on my lap and purr! And then we have OH. Could you swap your chainsaw for a shotgun - there are now 6 of the pests - OH counted 9 yesterday. I just think pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickabee Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I accidentally got my cats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat tails Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 You can always get an accidental cat! Doesn't he like cats or is he allergic? Sphinxes (hairless cats) are not hypoallergenic but give much less problems. Although they do take more care. You need to wash them quite regularly. There are also breeds that are more doglike. Some of the exotic breeds happily play fetch etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clucker1 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 So, if I understand this correctly.....I have to make my garden unattractive to wild birds. Do I have to chop all the trees down then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
