Geoid Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 With the change in the Dangerous Dogs Act, I wonder if the owner will be charged. With the current legislation, the owner could still be charged. Section 3 of the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991: If a dog is dangerously out of control in a public place— (a)the owner; and (b)if different, the person for the time being in charge of the dog is guilty of an offence Glad to hear you are ok though! Edited to add: 4000th post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsylabrador Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Happy 4000thpostday Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Well done for staying calm C. We had a Dogue de Bordeaux come into the vets a couple weeks ago, I was sat down and he came bounding in to the consulting room - I made sure he was friendly before giving him a good old scratch Luckily he was really nice but they are intimidating and solidly built of muscle too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alis girls Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 i have never heard of this dog and wouldnt like to encounter one. I think you were amazing keeping calm and your dogs also for protecting their mum. A big stick and a pepper spray Ithink - this is where we should be allowed mace sprays - good for nasty doggies and nasty sex attackers. Take care. Braver woman than me - I would have bawled my eyes out. I was chased by a jack russell as a child and dont like dogs much as they sense my unease. I also find some dog owners are horrible and was accused of being "racist" when I asked a man to remove his large dog from under my chair in a park. And I was polite but when he said that the red mist came down and I left him speechless with what I thought of him. You cant blame the animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoid Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 A big stick and a pepper spray Ithink - this is where we should be allowed mace sprays - good for nasty doggies and nasty sex attackers. Pepper spray is absolutely horrible stuff, you are likely to injure yourself if you use it. It can cause blindness if not used properly. Allowing everyone to have it is a terrible idea. But, there is a product called Bite Back which is full of natural oils and other stuff which stops a dog in its tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 That's useful to know Fred; I was talking to another dog-owning friend about the attack, and what I could have done to defend myself. There were no large branches nearby to use if it launched an all-out attack, just my dogs between it and me I do have a hefty stick in the car for use when I am beating on shoots, or the dogs are working, but I don't carry it out of habit as it's just another thing to worry about, but that smaller can would probably fit in the waist pouch that I use to carry car keys and stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alis girls Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 As someone who is very nervous of dogs I dont think I should be berated for wanting to defend myself. I wasnt aware that there was such a thing as "bite back" - I'm not a dog owner. I dont want to get into an argument on the forum but felt very upset at the tone that using a pepper spray would be irresponsible. The reason I am so nervous of dogs is that unlike the people on this forum some stupid owners think they have the right to run rough shod over others. Our park has had loads of complaints as the cafe has been taken over by a posse of aggressive owners. So please dont make me feel stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoid Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Sorry, I didnt mean to berate you or make you feel stupid. I just wanted you to know that pepper spray can be very dangerous if not used properly. It's a shame your park has been taken over by aggressive dog owners, hopefully the change to the dangerous dogs act will curb some of this. Again, I am so sorry for making you feel stupid, it was not my intention at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 My only concern about using Bite Back is that I am likely to have my own dogs with me, and they would then be affected too. The park at the bottom of my road is also plagued by inconsiderate people, not just dog owners; it is a family park near the town centre, not massively big, and used by lots of people with small children. People leave discarded food and other rubbish lying around, Others allow their dogs to be pests towards other people, and dogs, and don't clear up after their animals. I keep mine on the lead in that park, but we are still bothered by other dogs which are allowed to run up to mine, and in some cases go for them I am very clear with their owners that this is not acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Mama Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I am afraid that little can stop a dog 'in rage' and the chances of you actually having a suitable spray quickly enough at hand would be slim even if you did carry something. These dogs can see red and very little will stop them and some things will enrage them further. Sometimes something will distract them and they will literally snap out of it but it is touch and go which way it will go. You did the right thing by holding your nerve and sitting tight Clare thank goodness you had a mobile on you. I once had an aggressive dog come for me and I yelled 'sit down' and amazingly it did!!! Not sure your Dogue de Bordeaux would have responded in the same way though. I completely understand your comments re the pepper spray Ali and have thought the same thing when daughter used to stand at the bus stop alone. Sadly these things are more likely to be abused and you are quite likely to be charged with common assault if you used one. No simple answer to these issues unfortunately. The owner of this dog may well be charged under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 (Section 3(1)). Still fail to see how compulsory microchipping will prevent this sort of thing happening though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alis girls Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Sorry too fred for being a gobby cow. Its just something which upsets me. We even had some upstart who felt young children should be banned from a local park and dogs not because a dad asked her to put them on a lead. She wrote to the local paper. if everyone was as considerate as Clare and others it would be so much nicer. I have cats and if someone is allergic to or afraid of them - out they go. Ok hard on kitty but its my house and my rules. Thanks Fred and apologies for being grumpy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsylabrador Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I love my dentist - no, I really do! I've had a troublesome tooth for some time (nearly a year!) but as I normally think my dentist is in league with the devil, I just pretended that it was sensitive and shoved on loads of painkilling toothpaste. Then Sunday all hell broke loose, I have never experienced toothache like it. I felt the pain in my chest, my ears. I couldn't hide that I was in agony which being a woman I'm normally very good at. The good man knows I'm a dentist coward, gave me three big injections and set to work. Apparently my root canal was very inflamed and bleeding a lot. I couldn't feel a thing and was so drained from lack of sleep and pain I zoned out and nearly fell asleep while he drilled through my head. Slight ache today but utter bliss. I'm very happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ain't Nobody Here Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Glad it was sorted - nothing worse than toothache and that sounds worse than just toothache! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I used to be really good and have regular check ups at the dentist but haven't been for over a year 'cos of work, I've got an appt booked for next week! Glad to hear you're all sorted though I finished my office job last week ready to start vet school in September! Our team started last September when they had massive problems on a new contract, built up to 150 people before Christmas and back down to 20 more recently so its been a crazy year and I was lucky to have a job for so long; although it was never what I wanted to go into, I loved it and will really miss the people! I've been on placement at the vets this week, today we had a pigeon and a seagull come in so I was called to hold them 'cos everyone else hates birds and we have a tortoise coming in tomorrow for x-rays to look for eggs. Very excited about that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 That vet work sounds interesting Lewis. I remember when you got your braces off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 More on the dog attack... the police just rang; there's been another attack by the same dog, on the same bridleway, and they want me to go in and give a statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplemaniacs Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Oh no, I hope the second person was as calm as you, I hope no one was hurt. I hope something is now done about this dog, it is very scary. If nothing is done you have to wonder what might happen if there is a next time. Chrissie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 The worrying thing is that the bridleway is regularly used by joggers, kids and families on bikes and horse riders... it's only a matter of time before it ends in tears I don't mind saying that it scared the bejaysus out of me and I'm well used to dogs of all shapes and sizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickencam Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 How come they gave the dog back to the owner after your incident? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daphne Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I've only just read this dog saga, and am amazed Firstly, DM you are a much much braver woman than me. I would have been absolutely terrified and panic stricken and I don't know that I would have thought of calling the police. If you didn't have your 2 dogs, do you think it would have gone for you? Like Chickencam, I can't understand why the dog was given back, surely now the time has come for more drastic action. ANH - I was very sorry to hear your sad story, it makes one wonder, all over again, just what the world is coming to I really came on here to say the last of our cats was PTS on Friday. He's been living with a friend whilst we've been over here, and I feel bad that she had to go through the trauma, not me, even though she's a nurse and a seasoned animal keeper. But its the end of over 20 years of having one cat or another, and I feel rather empty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I can't be sure, but I *think* the owner does work for the police; if it's who I think it is; he does some security work in town. Cross posted: so sorry to hear that your cat has passed Daphne, I'm sure that it was well loved and had an amazing life with you. I think the dog was more interested in my two than attacking me (at the time) but I am in no doubt that if I hadn't had the with me, it would have taken me on, and I wouldn't have felt nearly so brave. It seemed to me to be an under-socialised dog, which couldn't read my body language, nor that of my dogs.... all of us were sending it strong calming signals, and using bog off body language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I've been to give my statement, and the other person was bitten, and only managed to get away when someone turned up to distract the dog. The police said that they will ask the owner to put measures in place to stop it escaping again, and there will be a court case. They asked if I would be able to attend and give evidence. Being a dog owner myself, I am reluctant to see anyone get into trouble because of their dog, but in this case, it sounds as if it has escaped before, and he has had plenty of warning to sort it out. A dog that size could cause some serious damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluekarin Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I've been to give my statement, and the other person was bitten, and only managed to get away when someone turned up to distract the dog. The police said that they will ask the owner to put measures in place to stop it escaping again....... That is the least the owner can do! They should be telling him to put in measures and keep the dog in a pound before allowing him back home. The dog has bitten someone a week after going for you! It should be a requirement for its garden to be secure. I would be devastated if Neela were to do something like this! It does sound as if this owner doesn't care what it's dog is up to. As for him doing work for the police! Should know better, not being given special dispensation, as that's what it sounds like to me. Apologies if I have got that wrong though. As a dog owner myself, I understand where you are coming from, but it's owners like this who give the rest of responsible owners a bad name I hope the court case goes well for you and I hope the person bitten is ok. Daphne - so sorry to hear about your last cat. It must be very hard for you having been away at this time. I too have had cats for the past 20 years and can't imagine life without one in the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogmother Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I totally agree Katrin, and I am annoyed because I believe that if this other woman hadn't complained, then my report might possibly have been 'filed' because of his association with the police; I shall be making this known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ain't Nobody Here Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Surely the dog should be muzzled in public after an attack involving a bite . What if it had been a baby or a child? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
